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Post by John on Aug 6, 2014 11:22:38 GMT
Speakers come in all shapes and sizes and I had small standmounts to large floorstanders
As a basic rule small speakers for small rooms but also you need to think about the sound you like
i enjoy a lot of speed scale dynamics and micro detail and a small standmount is not going to this for me
What is your preference and why
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Aug 6, 2014 11:35:38 GMT
I'd find it difficult to live without the 15" drivers on my OB's, they give a sense of scale that would be hard to do with smaller drivers.
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Post by pre65 on Aug 6, 2014 11:40:09 GMT
I quite like the 18"Fane speakers on my baffles.  
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 6, 2014 11:54:38 GMT
Obvious candidates up first bragging about the inches I see  8 inches is all one needs in a domestic situation |
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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 6, 2014 11:56:00 GMT
I like my Isobarik's way of delivering, perhaps the turbo version of speakers
Double tweeter, midrange and chunky bass drivers in each speaker
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Post by pre65 on Aug 6, 2014 11:57:21 GMT
Obvious candidates up first bragging about the inches I see 8 inches is all one needs in a domestic situation Excuse my language, but that statement is cobblers. Unless you meant, 8" is all I need in my domestic situation ?  |
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Post by MartinT on Aug 6, 2014 11:58:38 GMT
Scale is the exact word for it: my preference is for large floorstanders as I want a sense of scale to my music. Small speakers can do many good things, but scale (i.e. the ability to reasonably mimic a full orchestral climax) is not one of them.
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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 6, 2014 12:06:28 GMT
One day I'm going to try a second pair of speakers in the room as the Chord has 2 outputs
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 6, 2014 12:16:25 GMT
scale is a funny concept , especially for me I don't listen to classical music . Most of the LP's i listen to were not recorded to present much of the music's scale or of the recording acoustic scale . They will be closely miked and put on to a multi track recorder were all sorts of shenanigans would have been done to it . Thus even if i wanted the scale of genesis in my living room , it aint gonna happen as it is not on the record . And an electric guitar or organ deosnt have a scale ,just an amplified sound . Possibly the only instrument with scale are drums and these are never recorded to scale on most albums , especially Genesis albums . Indeed , Hugh Padgam was brought in a engineer to improve the drums on genesis recordings . Thus you can pretty much get a life like sound of an electronic amplified instrument from most speaker cones irrespective of size , except perhaps bass guitar , but that's just for simpletons who cant play a real guitar , surely Thus if you listen to 70's rock bands and bill bragg , i am at a loss to understand what bigger cones will bring you in an average size room . |
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Post by pre65 on Aug 6, 2014 12:22:58 GMT
Daniel, I don't know if you have ever listened to a decent open back speaker at home, but they do things that boxed speakers generally can't.
And the sense of scale a large woofer imparts is noticeable not only on classical music.
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Post by MartinT on Aug 6, 2014 12:32:43 GMT
scale is a funny concept , especially for me I don't listen to classical music . . . i am at a loss to understand what bigger cones will bring you in an average size room . It doesn't have to be classical. Try an unplugged album or an unamplified jazz ensemble or acapella singing.
I respectfully suggest that you have a listen to a system with proper scale and then you will understand. Us banging on about it isn't going to help you appreciate the difference.
By the way, scale is not the same as volume! |
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 6, 2014 12:37:12 GMT
On a point of pedantry , unless ob's can do the housework or make coffee , then they dont do things boxed speakers cant . they must surely do the same thing only better .
However , except for one pair i have seen [jamo's i think, which were very expensive ] they sure is all ugly .
Also if the box is sealed , inert and you take out all that bloody wadding , then its influence can be minimised .
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 6, 2014 12:40:47 GMT
Scale is determined by room size . Stick massive speakers in a small room and you will not get scale .
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Post by John on Aug 6, 2014 13:21:03 GMT
Speaking of someone who likes 70s rock I believe scale does matter listen to zep even yes and scale matters
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Post by John on Aug 6, 2014 13:27:35 GMT
Yes rooms play a part but my room not big 4m x 3.5 and i would not go back to small speakers but can understand scale not being important to people its a personal preference but even in a small room it is amazing what can be done
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Post by Dave on Aug 6, 2014 13:29:29 GMT
Scale is determined by room size . Stick massive speakers in a small room and you will not get scale . I would agree with this generally. Both my Skibo's and DM2's are sizeable speakers and my listening room is only 14'x12' and the bass output from the Skibo's in particular really excites the room to the point of excess (not so much with the DM2's although they do have their moments). The tiny Acoustic Solutions AV21's I am using just now have equally tiny woofers and sound fabulous in here to the point that I am getting more for less, if you see what I mean. Surprisingly they do 'scale' too, which is something I did not expect from them for so many reasons. My hunch is that they are working with the rooms acoustics. Incidentally, both the Skibo's and the DM2's have 200mm woofers whereas those in the AV21's measure a paltry 100mm (not 130mm as I have previously stated).
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Post by John on Aug 6, 2014 13:48:24 GMT
I would suggest the speakers work better with your room and system and therefore gives you a better sense of scale
smaller speakers are going to struggle to shift air to the same degree if your room can cope
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Post by pre65 on Aug 6, 2014 13:58:44 GMT
I would suggest the speakers work better with your room and system and therefore gives you a better sense of scale smaller speakers are going to struggle to shift air to the same degree if your room can cope Horses for courses me thinks. |
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Post by Dave on Aug 6, 2014 14:01:47 GMT
I would suggest the speakers work better with your room and system and therefore gives you a better sense of scale smaller speakers are going to struggle to shift air to the same degree if your room can cope I'd agree with that John. This room has always been an awkward bugger acoustically but it is the only room available in the house which can house the system reasonably comfortably. I have been through many, many speakers and up until now the DM2's have worked better in here than any of the others I've owned. Regarding the AV21's, I hesitate to use the word 'synergy' however there is definitely something going on between them, the system and the room which encourages them to give of their best |
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Post by DaveC on Aug 6, 2014 14:08:08 GMT
Does size matter ?
Yes
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8 inches is all one needs in a domestic situation 
