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Post by danielquinn on Aug 7, 2014 8:27:32 GMT
Martin you have a habit of talking as if your opinion is fact . Other opinions are available . You can read them if you care to scan other forums .
You may disagree with them , but you aint going to prove them wrong with words .
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Post by MartinT on Aug 7, 2014 8:34:13 GMT
My opinion is always just that: my opinion. You don't need me to state IMO in each post. For the sake of clarity, everything is my opinion unless I quote an authority.
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Post by gazjam on Aug 7, 2014 9:08:33 GMT
I like the sound of that. They are the same as my fondly remembered diy speakers. Are they wired in series or parallel? Think they are wired in parallel mate, the thinking being as well as quartering distortion, the load impedance would be lowered with the extra drivers and efficiency would go up. 94db at 8 Ohms. Also, they have a ribbon tweeter with an L-Pad to adjust the crossover frequency. Subtle but great for "dialing in" the speakers to the room. Clever stuff. Oh, and they do Portishead like nothing else Ive heard! |
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Post by MartinT on Aug 7, 2014 9:10:18 GMT
Bass drivers are almost always wired in parallel, unless they have different crossover points or one driver goes further into the midrange.
Portishead? Nice!
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 7, 2014 9:19:13 GMT
Mine were wired in series , for none of the reasons noted , preferred it that way .
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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 7, 2014 9:19:57 GMT
Yes, those Gales are so good they are within spitting distance of Isobariks Not bad for £38 as 'breaking for spares'! Bargain The work you did would be beyond most people's ability - or they wold think When I had my Kans blowing raspberries I sent them off to Wilmslow as I could not believe I could do the work properly |
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Post by gazjam on Aug 7, 2014 9:30:36 GMT
Mine were wired in series , for none of the reasons noted , preferred it that way . Think if your DIYing stuff you owe it to yourself to at least try how the other ways sound... Even daft stuff like cable directionality - always worth trying it the other way, cos who knows it may sound better? Lots of set in stone best practices in this game I guess, always worth a punt to try something different. |
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Post by gazjam on Aug 7, 2014 9:33:43 GMT
Bass drivers are almost always wired in parallel, unless they have different crossover points or one driver goes further into the midrange. Portishead? Nice! Ah right, cool. I did not know that.  Portishead...yeah. Mulling over whether to get the Live in NY album on vinyl? Have it digital, and need to draw the horns in sometime! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 10:13:33 GMT
My opinion is always just that: my opinion. You don't need me to state IMO in each post. For the sake of clarity, everything is my opinion unless I quote an authority. No Martin, I'm sure that must be wrong. You need to be advised by other, more experienced forum owners. Stating opinion as fact is fine so long as its backed up with calling anyone who disagrees an idiot and that they are talking bollocks. I'm sure you will get the hang of it  |
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 7, 2014 10:19:00 GMT
What was the purpose of the post ?
Ingratiation, humour , pertinent analysis of a relevant situation , the imparting of relevant useful knowledge , a spot on synopsis of previous posts ?
If it was any of the above , it failed, if it wasnt, why bother ?
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Post by Stratmangler on Aug 7, 2014 10:40:24 GMT
Are they wired in series or parallel? They're wired series/parallel, which is the same as your average 4x12 guitar speaker cabinet. So the nominal impedance of the four is equal to that of just one of the drive units, and all units work in unison. |
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Post by MartinT on Aug 7, 2014 10:47:07 GMT
No Martin, I'm sure that must be wrong. You need to be advised by other, more experienced forum owners. Stating opinion as fact is fine so long as its backed up with calling anyone who disagrees an idiot and that they are talking bollocks. I'm sure you will get the hang of it  |
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Post by gazjam on Aug 7, 2014 10:49:20 GMT
Are they wired in series or parallel? They're wired series/parallel, which is the same as your average 4x12 guitar speaker cabinet. So the nominal impedance of the four is equal to that of just one of the drive units, and all units work in unison. Ah, Gaz speak wiv forked tongue, didn't know that Chris. Good info...should read Toppsy's posts better! |
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Post by MartinT on Aug 7, 2014 12:08:14 GMT
They're wired series/parallel, which is the same as your average 4x12 guitar speaker cabinet. So the nominal impedance of the four is equal to that of just one of the drive units, and all units work in unison. Interesting. Not ideal from a damping factor point of view (each driver does not directly see the low impedance of the amp's output stage since it's in series with another). Then again, smaller drivers will have better self-damping. |
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 7, 2014 12:17:45 GMT
Theory is one thing , listening is another .
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Post by MartinT on Aug 7, 2014 12:34:45 GMT
That's what I generally do with speakers.
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 7, 2014 12:37:16 GMT
Okay Martin you asked for it - when have wired multiple drivers in series and parallel and spent hours listening to the differences ?
You can spout all the theory you want , but there is no substitute for actual empirical experience .
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Post by MartinT on Aug 7, 2014 13:19:31 GMT
Empirical evidence (i.e. listening) is all-important. However, an understanding of the theory gives much enlightenment. I will continue to spout theory whenever it's relevant. Armchair criticism, on the other hand, is of little use to me.
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 7, 2014 13:27:57 GMT
An understanding of theory without actually putting that theory to personal test gives bugger all enlightenment . It is of bugger all use and merely confuses and obfuscates.
Its analogous to learning about sex without actually having it or learning to drive without getting in a car .
p.s - I take that as a no on the trying of parallel l and series wiring 
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Post by yomanze on Aug 7, 2014 13:42:06 GMT
Bigger drivers = more scale and dynamics; smaller drivers = faster and less coloured mids. My personal preference is for simple two way standmounts, which offer great coherence and timing at the expense of lower dynamics and scale.
Edit: no hard and fast rules though, listen to a pair of Amphion Argon3 standmounts and the scale and dynamics are more like floorstanders / big drivers.
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