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Post by MartinT on Jul 31, 2018 16:28:59 GMT
Probably in the far-right corner, close to the connections. I haven't got one yet, will look for a bargain.
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Post by Slinger on Jul 31, 2018 17:01:11 GMT
Well, that'll teach me. I was joking and expected a stiff rebuke.  |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 31, 2018 20:01:20 GMT
LOL! The Wharfedales don't go very low, unlike my main speakers!
Now if you had asked about the rears...
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Post by Slinger on Jul 31, 2018 20:57:16 GMT
I'll let you get the sub bedded in before I mention rears.  |
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Jul 31, 2018 21:04:12 GMT
Is the sound better with the switcher than from the optical on the tv Martin?
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Post by julesd68 on Jul 31, 2018 23:44:54 GMT
Very nice Martin. I reckon that piece of wood under the TV is a soundbar in disguise ... |
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Post by MartinT on Aug 1, 2018 5:39:56 GMT
Is the sound better with the switcher than from the optical on the tv Martin? When I tested it on the previous TV I could hear no different, the S/PDIF extraction from HDMI ARC (Audio Return Channel) was perfect. I wanted ARC to minimise the number of cables required, so I have not routed optical back from the new TV. SQ wise, via the Caiman-II, it sounds very good to my ears. I can, of course, switch to local S/PDIF feed from the Sky HD and Blu-ray players, but I just leave it on ARC as it will then follow any chosen input (Sky, Blu-ray, local apps for Netflix & Prime, web browsing such as YouTube) whether from externally or from the TV itself. There are some warnings that some manufacturer implementations of ARC don't support surround, only 2-channel. This is of no consequence for me. |
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Post by MartinT on Aug 1, 2018 5:42:55 GMT
I reckon that piece of wood under the TV is a soundbar in disguise ... Hah - that piece of 'wood' is not, it's ceramic fireproof wood-lookalike! You're not allowed wood closer than a certain distance from a new install fireplace and we just had that wood burner installed quite recently. |
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Aug 1, 2018 6:23:08 GMT
Is the sound better with the switcher than from the optical on the tv Martin? When I tested it on the previous TV I could hear no different, the S/PDIF extraction from HDMI ARC (Audio Return Channel) was perfect. I wanted ARC to minimise the number of cables required, so I have not routed optical back from the new TV. SQ wise, via the Caiman-II, it sounds very good to my ears. I can, of course, switch to local S/PDIF feed from the Sky HD and Blu-ray players, but I just leave it on ARC as it will then follow any chosen input (Sky, Blu-ray, local apps for Netflix & Prime, web browsing such as YouTube) whether from externally or from the TV itself. There are some warnings that some manufacturer implementations of ARC don't support surround, only 2-channel. This is of no consequence for me. I must have looked at a different box, does yours have a coax spdif out? |
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Post by MartinT on Aug 1, 2018 7:57:58 GMT
I'm using optical S/PDIF out using Stan's excellent optical cable. Mine only does optical out, there are others I think which can do co-ax.
EDIT: the audio route is digital-over-HDMI from the TV to the switcher, then optical to the DAC.
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Aug 1, 2018 8:28:30 GMT
Ok thanks Martin.
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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 1, 2018 9:01:06 GMT
Very nice Martin. I reckon that piece of wood under the TV is a soundbar in disguise ... |
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Post by naim1425 on Aug 1, 2018 13:21:55 GMT
no i think ther wood is for some nice horse brasses and a few swallows,you mist some dust in the right alcove,nice telly tho.also i like the tv will be heated from the front and the back at the same time,it will keep the colour temperatures right
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Post by MartinT on Aug 1, 2018 13:39:58 GMT
Hah! I did check during the winter and that 'wooden' beam does a nice job of preventing hot air from reaching the TV area. There's no heat at the back as the flue is only 250mm or so wide and far back from the front wall.
I did some more vacuuming and painting of the trunking after taking that photo. WAF is now adequate.
Funny thing: Ruth unprompted did say this morning that the picture quality is rather good. Result!
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Post by speedysteve on Aug 1, 2018 18:04:44 GMT
Here's our Panasonic with Sonos sound bar 'Beam' below it..  Wanted the sound bar below and set back under the screen. That meant it sitting on the TV stand. The screen to stand bars, as it was, was about 2.5cm too low. Couple of birch plywood spacers too the rescue. Quite complex drillings need  Can turn the TV on by voice and control the volume up and down too (that's not why we got it though). The sound from something that slim is very good in smaller rooms. For dramas the surround sound splits out dramatic effect music leaving a clear easy to follow dialogue on the centre. We had a couple of surround systems years back but abandonded them ages ago. Didn't spend enough on them then but I think the quality of recordings and attention to surround sound detail has improved on regular TV progs a lot in that time. You won't recognise the prog on screen - Swedish TV gardening / lifestyle prog. Quite good actually. Thanks SVTplay! |
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Post by Slinger on Aug 1, 2018 20:09:35 GMT
...Didn't spend enough on them [surround systems] then but I think the quality of recordings and attention to surround sound detail has improved on regular TV progs a lot in that time... I couldn't agree more about the sound quality aspect, and the beauty of it is that you don't need to spend a fortune these days. You can buy a half-decent 5.1 amp for £250-£300 that will handle everything from 3D to 4K. Pick up used speakers on eBay for a song (I'm using a pair of JPW mini monitors for fronts, and Eltax Bipolars for rears) then add a 10" or 12" sub and a good centre speaker and you're up and running. |
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Post by MartinT on Aug 3, 2018 6:07:59 GMT
I've snaffled a Gale 3070 subwoofer on Gumtree for peanuts. Will pick it up after work tonight.
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Post by Slinger on Aug 3, 2018 13:02:03 GMT
I've snaffled a Gale 3070 subwoofer on Gumtree for peanuts. Will pick it up after work tonight. I'd have been inclined to choose a larger driver, Martin. You can't go too big, only too small. An 8" sub in a large room might get 'lost,' and you could end up pushing it a bit hard. |
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Post by MartinT on Aug 3, 2018 13:14:58 GMT
I thought that myself, but actually all I want is the lowest octave and we never play it loud. The Wharfedales impressed me last night (watching Suits of all things) with their bass capabilities and I think the Gale will just add that 'room feel' and sense of air movement required on suitable material. It will be helped by going right in the corner - and its dimensions are perfect for fitting next to the big upright girder holding the barn together.
Frankly, for the £30 it cost me, it can go down in flames and little will be lost. I shall set it up by spectrum analyser on the phone to be flat with the main speakers and just extend. I have found that subs disappear when I do that with no boominess or obvious room modes. Good sub integration should not sound like having a sub at all.
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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 3, 2018 13:34:55 GMT
...we never play it loud.... Heresy !  |
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