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Post by bencat on Aug 21, 2024 17:26:34 GMT
Yes Convergence the track was Raising Venus.
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Post by MartinT on Aug 21, 2024 17:32:45 GMT
It sounds so like a Yello track (of course) but with her vocals more forward. Lovely grunty bass on this and a big soundstage, especially with the backing vocals. Gorgeous recording, you can hear right inside it.
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Post by HD Music & Test on Aug 21, 2024 18:44:57 GMT
Right got to put the Tony upgraded LB Clock in my system today with Graham a friend to listen as well . Because I use a Mutec I could install the LB but not set it to not replace the Mutec internal clock . Three tracks played by John Martyn , Agnes Obel and Malia all Grahams choice . Straight in to the Mutec and the Soundwave it has been superb and much improved over the last time Graham had listened using the NVA S300 the step up to the monoblocks was just obvious. Then a quick reset of the Mutec to use the LB as it's external clock and back to the same three tracks . Me I knew what to expected and sure enough the jump to real people singing and playing in my room was the result . All the tracks gained but the Malia track gained the most there was just more life and everything ,bass treble midrange everything . Now you felt that Malia was just there in front of you . So if any of you use and LB Clock then I would urge you to form an orderly queue to ask Tony to work on it . If you want to see the difference in the Audio Addicts site there is a Leo Bodnar Set up thread with pictures of the digital age of a standard LB . Compare that with picture on this thread of the upgraded unit and it is not subtle . Does it make a difference ? Can you hear the difference ? I certainly think you can and it is all the good stuff that often the music out . A very happy little bunny at this time , it may well be a very long night . Thanks for the report Andrew It will improve again over the next week or so as well.
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Post by bencat on Aug 23, 2024 10:31:08 GMT
It sounds so like a Yello track (of course) but with her vocals more forward. Lovely grunty bass on this and a big soundstage, especially with the backing vocals. Gorgeous recording, you can hear right inside it. The whole album is like that with Boris Blank creating huge layered soundscapes around Malia,s voice . Sadly it seems to have been latched on to as a HiFi show disc so will get played to death and not sound as good as it does here . System still giving me a regular jolt as to how good it is sounding . As Tony advised I have the LB Clock on 24/7 and it is still improving . Have the chance to try some Auva speaker feet would love to try them all but if the 100 sound so much better then that would be a really big outlay . So am going to try the 50 and see what difference they make and take a view from there . I know once heard if the 100 are that good I will be almost forced to consider buying them so discretion is the better part of valour .
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Post by palace on Aug 23, 2024 11:11:32 GMT
It sounds so like a Yello track (of course) but with her vocals more forward. Lovely grunty bass on this and a big soundstage, especially with the backing vocals. Gorgeous recording, you can hear right inside it. The whole album is like that with Boris Blank creating huge layered soundscapes around Malia,s voice . Sadly it seems to have been latched on to as a HiFi show disc so will get played to death and not sound as good as it does here . System still giving me a regular jolt as to how good it is sounding . As Tony advised I have the LB Clock on 24/7 and it is still improving . Have the chance to try some Auva speaker feet would love to try them all but if the 100 sound so much better then that would be a really big outlay . So am going to try the 50 and see what difference they make and take a view from there . I know once heard if the 100 are that good I will be almost forced to consider buying them so discretion is the better part of valour . bencat "So am going to try the 50 and see what difference they make and take a view from there . I know once heard if the 100 are that good I will be almost forced to consider buying them" If you have read my post's that is pretty much what happened to me to the extent I have become almost evangelistic about the Auva effect particularly if the Quads are like mine on Rupert stands. My experiences would suggest they will work with virtually anything. The 100's really are that special. Playing as suggested Malia Raising Venus with Boris Blanc via YouTube what incredible bass my chair is vibrating with the airborne bass nothing under my bare feet., guitars/electronics are crystal & pin sharp, Malia projecting her voice (well the engineer) is both sad, sultry & ethereal. I was playing Flag (Yello CD) earlier I can hear where MartinT is coming from when he says "It sounds so like a Yello track (of course) but with her vocals more forward. Lovely grunty bass on this and a big soundstage, especially with the backing vocals. Gorgeous recording, you can hear right inside it. I just texted Josh Stephenson the admin guy at stack Audio apparently there is a 5% discount using "auvaiso" for the discount
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Post by bencat on Aug 23, 2024 11:37:24 GMT
Thanks John I had read your comments and I know your advice is to go straight for the 100,s but times are tough if you are retired and on a fixed pension income so spending out that much is quite a stretch for me in light of what I have just spent on my upgraded NVA Monoblocks . Currently my quads are on purpose made wooden stands which have outrigger legs either end and wooden spikes . These are then in the m6 hole on the top of four Aircraft Antivibration Spring mounts . These offered a very good uplift when I fitted them and are a very alternative route to what Stack are doing . In the first instance I want to test the 50,s for which I have a no obligation trial offer so that at least I can see if they are good enough to rival what I currently have . If it is obvious that they are much better then I need to think should I try the 100,s and if they are as good as you say bide my time and save up . If they are close to what I use then it is another path entirely and it may well be I still have to try the 100,s to see if they are then much better . As I say from past trials I know that once you hear an improvement it is very difficult to unhear it and go back . I am very lucky in that there is a generous offer of being able to try any of the Stack items without any obligation to buy but if I hear as significant a sound improvement as you say then I may well then have to be committed to adding them when I can afford them .
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Post by palace on Aug 23, 2024 12:07:46 GMT
Thanks John I had read your comments and I know your advice is to go straight for the 100,s but times are tough if you are retired and on a fixed pension income so spending out that much is quite a stretch for me in light of what I have just spent on my upgraded NVA Monoblocks . Currently my quads are on purpose made wooden stands which have outrigger legs either end and wooden spikes . These are then in the m6 hole on the top of four Aircraft Antivibration Spring mounts . These offered a very good uplift when I fitted them and are a very alternative route to what Stack are doing . In the first instance I want to test the 50,s for which I have a no obligation trial offer so that at least I can see if they are good enough to rival what I currently have . If it is obvious that they are much better then I need to think should I try the 100,s and if they are as good as you say bide my time and save up . If they are close to what I use then it is another path entirely and it may well be I still have to try the 100,s to see if they are then much better . As I say from past trials I know that once you hear an improvement it is very difficult to unhear it and go back . I am very lucky in that there is a generous offer of being able to try any of the Stack items without any obligation to buy but if I hear as significant a sound improvement as you say then I may well then have to be committed to adding them when I can afford them . bencat. I loved the 50's & could have happily lived with them however wonderlust prevailed, of the 50's,70's & 100's the 70's are probably the biggest bang for buck even though I opted for the 100's which offer so much more I'm also on a pension though not thankfully fixed, I don't smoke & blood thinners mean no alcohol I dont shoot at Bisley more than 4 times a year, my car petrol head V8 fetish is now vicariously enjoyed via my son with his Sunday car though not a garage princess via his tuned Holden Special Vehicle/Vauxhall VXR8 440+ RWHP. I don't know if that 5% Discount helps...
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Post by bencat on Sept 3, 2024 9:47:03 GMT
I will very soon be getting both 50,s and 100,s on loan . I am going to start at the lower level then change up after a good listen . Other users have all it seems been blown away by the improvements and to such a degree that they have bought the 100,s which are not cheap . I know already that I am going to have to wait to buy the larger sets as October is going to be a spendy month . I am also fascinated by how the improvements are being heard with heavy more conventional speakers and the much lighter and less reasonant Quads . Will use them for demo without drilling and putting captive threads in my stands . But if I do decide to keep them then that will be done as it seems this adds to the improvement .
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Post by bencat on Sept 13, 2024 13:39:44 GMT
Okay for those still following this the Suva 50,s arrived today and they will get fitted tomorrow . Will post some initial feelings either Sunday or Monday . I also have a set of 100,s on their way so will be able to see what difference they make . That may be much later next week as current wisdom is That the feet need time to settle and sound quality improves over a few days . Some have been very clear about this but others have said there was no difference for them from first fitting . Would also be clear that I am not going to drill my stands at this stage even though a firm coupling between stand and feet is better sounding . If I decide to keep them and buy a set them will still and secure inserted threads to fix the feet .
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Post by palace on Sept 14, 2024 10:17:44 GMT
Okay for those still following this the Suva 50,s arrived today and they will get fitted tomorrow . Will post some initial feelings either Sunday or Monday . I also have a set of 100,s on their way so will be able to see what difference they make . That may be much later next week as current wisdom is That the feet need time to settle and sound quality improves over a few days . Some have been very clear about this but others have said there was no difference for them from first fitting . Would also be clear that I am not going to drill my stands at this stage even though a firm coupling between stand and feet is better sounding . If I decide to keep them and buy a set them will still and secure inserted threads to fix the feet . bencat, For anyone like you considering acquiring Stack Audio Auva 50's, 70's or 100's. I suspect you have done your homework, just a few words re what I found, when I first got the Auva 50's I put them on & they were good straight out of the box, my son came over & squared them all up on the laminate flooring as I previously wrote. I used an Allen key to tighten the fixing adapters M8 they are a headless screw with allen socket one end if so fitted into the Auva's then a pair of 10" needle nose Vice Grips to tighten the 4 M8 thread "thumb" nuts to the Auva body though not "F"ing tight, then using the supplied spanner the 4 other thread specific in my case M6 thread "thumb" nuts to the bottom of the rupert stands again not ridiculously tight. I was more careful with the Auva 70's & especially the Auva 100's tightening the "thumb" nuts right away. Though the Auva 50's, 70's, 100's will actually work if just placed under the speaker I have found rigidity rules adding a fair percentage of improvement.
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Post by bencat on Sept 18, 2024 13:36:06 GMT
Okay sadly pain and mobility issues (if I get down on the floor I need someone to help me up ) have prevented me from putting the Stack Audio Auva,s in place so nothing to report. However I do now have a good period with the Coherent LB Clock on place and it seems after about 15 days or so it has stopped changing . Sound is as I first commented just the same as when I first put the standard LB in my system but with additional naturalness , additional time (i do not know how to really explain this but singers and players just seem to have more time and space to play in making what they do easier to understand yes sounds silly but for me I hear it ) better width and depth . So my advice is those that have an LB Clock book it in and let Tony do his thing when he can , sorry Tony I know how busy you are but have to give praise where it is due . I have also changed a couple of things after another thread which is I have switched my Purcell to out put 44.1 material at 44.1 and I am listening to this for a few days then will switch back to 44.1 material upsampled to 176.4 and see which sounds better .
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Post by MartinT on Sept 18, 2024 14:09:28 GMT
Take it easy, Andrew. Don't do yourself an even worse injury.
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Post by bencat on Sept 18, 2024 14:17:39 GMT
Thanks Martin but not really possible on this injury which I have lived with for over 40 years . I have learned to cope and when not to push things . But the sound advice a good thoughts are appreciated .
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Post by bencat on Sept 19, 2024 20:22:46 GMT
Okay today felt good enough and put the Auva,s in place . Things were not plain sailing but will leave comments and for a later post as there things that need to be done . So things are in place but my views will have to be delayed .
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Post by bencat on Sept 20, 2024 14:56:13 GMT
Well this is a bit of a saga . As mentioned I put the Auva 50,s under my Quad stand yesterday and then put on some music . Well the sound that came out was nothing like what Big John and others who tried these feet had reported . Instead I got very scratchy and edgy treble and loss of bass . Checked the installation and it was right and secure . Then remembered some reported that there needed to be a settling in , none mentions the sound being worse but we'll I have heard new electric items sound not so good . So had an exchange with Stack Audio and came back to things a couple of hours later . Well things were now much better and all the sting had gone plus bass was back along with some really nice wide and deep images . My talk with Stack had confirmed that to get the very best the feet needed rigid contact with my stands . So today drilled them all and put 6M D but inserts in and screwed the feet directly to the stands . Household this is it makes it much easier to place the speakers and get them in to accurate position . Well put the music on and blow me off the scratchy and edgy treble was not back . Ah but this was not my first Rodeo so leave things for an hour come back and things are much better . In fact they are lots better even than the feet I had in place before . Then I realise that I have lost the plot and I am hallucinating right in the middle of a track the whole sound drops like twisting a lens in to focus . Vocals sound more natural bass becomes a supple living rhythm behind the music Say a Little Prayer comes in and Aretha is just majestic . Then something I have heard a few times but really feel it hard to explain voices , instruments everyone seems suddenly to have more time they feel relaxed and just delivering with all the time in the world to be there . I now have been declared insane and I may well retire to a darkened room to contemplate my navel . Do I think these feet are good , yes I do , are they staying, yes at least for the next few weeks and probably beyond that . I am not as convinced about them as others seem to be but they do offer decent improvement and if the settling in continues then they may just offer even more .
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Post by palace on Sept 20, 2024 16:44:47 GMT
Well this is a bit of a saga . As mentioned I put the Auva 50,s under my Quad stand yesterday and then put on some music . Well the sound that came out was nothing like what Big John and others who tried these feet had reported . Instead I got very scratchy and edgy treble and loss of bass . Checked the installation and it was right and secure . Then remembered some reported that there needed to be a settling in , none mentions the sound being worse but we'll I have heard new electric items sound not so good . So had an exchange with Stack Audio and came back to things a couple of hours later . Well things were now much better and all the sting had gone plus bass was back along with some really nice wide and deep images . My talk with Stack had confirmed that to get the very best the feet needed rigid contact with my stands . So today drilled them all and put 6M D but inserts in and screwed the feet directly to the stands . Household this is it makes it much easier to place the speakers and get them in to accurate position . Well put the music on and blow me off the scratchy and edgy treble was not back . Ah but this was not my first Rodeo so leave things for an hour come back and things are much better . In fact they are lots better even than the feet I had in place before . Then I realise that I have lost the plot and I am hallucinating right in the middle of a track the whole sound drops like twisting a lens in to focus . Vocals sound more natural bass becomes a supple living rhythm behind the music Say a Little Prayer comes in and Aretha is just majestic . Then something I have heard a few times but really feel it hard to explain voices , instruments everyone seems suddenly to have more time they feel relaxed and just delivering with all the time in the world to be there . I now have been declared insane and I may well retire to a darkened room to contemplate my navel . Do I think these feet are good , yes I do , are they staying, yes at least for the next few weeks and probably beyond that . I am not as convinced about them as others seem to be but they do offer decent improvement and if the settling in continues then they may just offer even more . Bencat: I never suffered the "scratchy and edgy treble and loss of bass" quite the reverse. Rigidity is all Auvas to stands & stands to Quad 57's, so that vibrations can track through the threaded adapter & auva top into the chambers with micro particles, they also can take time to settle I gave all the Auvas including EQ's a little shake to distribute the micro particles evenly. An illistration of how rooms & systems differ in response.
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Post by bencat on Sept 20, 2024 18:37:43 GMT
John no arguments from me and I waited until things settled before writing anything . As noted the comments from others have all been positive from the very start . Now there others are commenting about increased treble . Nothing like what I am writing about but certainly not the smooth sailing others have stated . I think it is important to mention issues like others do about problems burning in fuses and how things can get worse before they get better . If I had not mentioned this someone else may have just dismissed this product . At least they are now warned and can be a little patient . I am convinced that these feet work and when allowed to improve the sound . But for me at least it was certainly not a straight out the box good thing . Just because it was so strange I have in the last couple of hours removed the feet left them on a chair for them to settle . Returned them back to the stands and then put some music on and straight away the sound is awful . This time within fifteen minutes this faded and improved . That is hopefully the last time I do this but I have proved to myself that what is happening is real .
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Post by Tobias on Sept 20, 2024 18:50:57 GMT
I find this Auva information very interesting (i don´t have them yet)
To give us some context (sorry if i missed this information) but what is your floor made of?
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Post by palace on Sept 20, 2024 19:12:00 GMT
John no arguments from me and I waited until things settled before writing anything . As noted the comments from others have all been positive from the very start . Now there others are commenting about increased treble . Nothing like what I am writing about but certainly not the smooth sailing others have stated . I think it is important to mention issues like others do about problems burning in fuses and how things can get worse before they get better . If I had not mentioned this someone else may have just dismissed this product . At least they are now warned and can be a little patient . I am convinced that these feet work and when allowed to improve the sound . But for me at least it was certainly not a straight out the box good thing . Just because it was so strange I have in the last couple of hours removed the feet left them on a chair for them to settle . Returned them back to the stands and then put some music on and straight away the sound is awful . This time within fifteen minutes this faded and improved . That is hopefully the last time I do this but I have proved to myself that what is happening is real . Bencat: I noted your restraint before rushing in to print, I have also noted an improvement in the treble & midrange it is cleaner/clearer although most treble/midrange comes from the 57's, I have placed shaped brass discs across the horn of my super tweeters to prevent the Bat Pure super tweeter beaming , allowing me to align the horn with the Quad 57's front rather than pointed towards the walls, to be fair I can't hear the Bat Pure super tweeters but disconnecting them makes a difference & they are soon reconnected. I suspect that the gentle agitation of playing music with the feet in place causes that settling a bit like tapping the side of a pot to settle the contents. Moving/tipping them I believe will negate the previous settling. Somewhere in my ramblings I noted removal & replacement cemented my admiration for Auvas. It provides confirmation as did putting Auva 50's under my unsprung turntable as they settled they absorbed too well sucking the life from the turntable removing them, like Lazarus life returned I understand that others have found Auva EQ's work well under sprung turntables.
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Post by palace on Sept 20, 2024 22:19:19 GMT
I find this Auva information very interesting (i don´t have them yet) To give us some context (sorry if i missed this information) but what is your floor made of? Tobias: The floor of our 1950's built flat are reinforced concrete throughout however the lounge had a sunken space with floating joists with 3/4" gaps under the joists then floor boards, the previous owners/our landlord screwed the joists down with dozens of plywood spacers under the joists & doubled up the amount of joists. using 400 4" screws in to the concrete base as my then 23/24st caused furniture to move when I walked past. The floor boards had 1" thick tongue & grove flooring sheet which has HQ underlay with laminate flooring on top, whilst solid there are voids twixt the 2 x 4 joists my now svelte 19st rarely causes a squeak.
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