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Post by mattspl on May 22, 2024 22:06:28 GMT
It could be like many things with moving parts, they work better after some time. Makes you wonder would applying lubricant to the springs help at all?
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Post by julesd68 on May 22, 2024 22:23:38 GMT
I've got a couple of sets of the spring sandwiches waiting to go under my speakers - am quite intrigued by them ...
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Post by bencat on May 23, 2024 9:54:40 GMT
Another suggestion has come from another source of applying some form of damping to the springs . A foam ear plug cut in half is supposed to be just about right . At this stage will leave it as is under the dCS pair as they are very heavy and compress the gap to the correct 1-3 mm that is supposed to be the optimum . Will certainly be adjusting the number of springs on the two sets while they do state that two springs can be used for stability three is probably as low as you can go . Three may well be enough for the NVA S300 but will start at four and see how that goes . I am thinking of using the second set under my Mutec and that will be a three spring set up and quite possibly a three feet option as well as the Mutec is a light weight unit . All good fun things to investigate and try and for very little outlay julesd68 how heavy are the speakers you are going to use these under ? If you go to the Solid Tech website under Iso Black it has a chart to give you the correct loadings for various weights .
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Post by MikeMusic on May 23, 2024 10:20:28 GMT
Mike I have no explanation but I know that I can hear it . It could be like speaker driver need to ease and break in and often sound better after quite a few hours use but seriously this is just holding an item up and away from either suffering from vibration or earthing any vibration in the unit itself . I believe you as I've had similar !
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Post by julesd68 on May 23, 2024 10:45:02 GMT
My speakers are only 20kg. Of course the sound will be slightly different just by way of raising the speakers an inch or so higher with these footers, so might be difficult to gauge exactly what they are offering to the sound quality.
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Post by bencat on May 23, 2024 13:08:51 GMT
This is often the problem when you do something like this your mind then starts to obsess and you get strange ideas in your head . On looking at the instructions for the feet and seeing that they say they should be adjusted to have between 1 mm and 3 mm gap to work at their best with speakers they should not be too heavy at the back and light at the front but it is possible they could be . With equipment there is often more weight at the back due to the position of transformers . So in this case should you do paired adjustment of the feet back first removing springs till you get the correct gap . Then move to the front pair and do the same even if that means different numbers of springs front and back ? It seems to be logical but not too sure that it will make any difference to the sound . There is only one way to find out for sure .
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Post by ajski2fly on May 23, 2024 14:06:15 GMT
Another suggestion has come from another source of applying some form of damping to the springs . A foam ear plug cut in half is supposed to be just about right . At this stage will leave it as is under the dCS pair as they are very heavy and compress the gap to the correct 1-3 mm that is supposed to be the optimum . Will certainly be adjusting the number of springs on the two sets while they do state that two springs can be used for stability three is probably as low as you can go . Three may well be enough for the NVA S300 but will start at four and see how that goes . I am thinking of using the second set under my Mutec and that will be a three spring set up and quite possibly a three feet option as well as the Mutec is a light weight unit . All good fun things to investigate and try and for very little outlay julesd68 how heavy are the speakers you are going to use these under ? If you go to the Solid Tech website under Iso Black it has a chart to give you the correct loadings for various weights . I have found that isolating speakers gives a better depth and control to the end result, bass sounds tighter, and there is a general improvement to the soundstage and better focus and positioning of instruments, its not earth shattering just an improvement. I use Hudson Hifi Big Foots hudsonhifi.com/collections/sound-isolation/products/bigfoot?variant=42761545416902 which have the same effect as springs, they are similar to sorbothane but believe they have silicone added. Just in case of psychologically induced wishing for them to work I have removed them several times and listen with spikes, and fixed feet several times and each time I put the Hudsons back I can hear the change. You should get similar improvement with the springs you have with good VFM.
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Post by palace on May 23, 2024 15:19:16 GMT
Another suggestion has come from another source of applying some form of damping to the springs . A foam ear plug cut in half is supposed to be just about right . At this stage will leave it as is under the dCS pair as they are very heavy and compress the gap to the correct 1-3 mm that is supposed to be the optimum . Will certainly be adjusting the number of springs on the two sets while they do state that two springs can be used for stability three is probably as low as you can go . Three may well be enough for the NVA S300 but will start at four and see how that goes . I am thinking of using the second set under my Mutec and that will be a three spring set up and quite possibly a three feet option as well as the Mutec is a light weight unit . All good fun things to investigate and try and for very little outlay julesd68 how heavy are the speakers you are going to use these under ? If you go to the Solid Tech website under Iso Black it has a chart to give you the correct loadings for various weights . I have found that isolating speakers gives a better depth and control to the end result, bass sounds tighter, and there is a general improvement to the soundstage and better focus and positioning of instruments, its not earth shattering just an improvement. I use Hudson Hifi Big Foots hudsonhifi.com/collections/sound-isolation/products/bigfoot?variant=42761545416902 which have the same effect as springs, they are similar to sorbothane but believe they have silicone added. Just in case of psychologically induced wishing for them to work I have removed them several times and listen with spikes, and fixed feet several times and each time I put the Hudsons back I can hear the change. You should get similar improvement with the springs you have with good VFM. I was using the surprisingly effective Addis sink protector discs at around £4 a sheet propounded on PFM by windhoek, under the OTA Rupert stands my OTA Quad 57's sit on & everything else except the turntable. After viewing forum reports & videos on the Stack Audio Auva 50/70/100 footers, although Theo Stack was dubious as to their suitability for Quad 57's because there was a money back guarantee I bought 8 , 4 per stand base. They worked in my situation very well. They have no springs apparently they work using 1-5 layers of metal particles depending on model that turn vibration in to miniscule amounts of heat, then a synthetic component that damps vibration. They were not cheap but with the discount I succumbed.
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Post by MartinT on May 24, 2024 7:00:26 GMT
They have no springs apparently they work using 1-5 layers of metal particles They probably work along the lines of Black Ravioli, which uses constrained layers. I've still not come across anything as effective as BR but my Auvas are doing a good job.
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Post by bencat on May 28, 2024 10:05:30 GMT
Well I have no idea how but I seem to have solved the getting a a better random song mix in Tidal . One of the issues I had was it would only add similar artists and genres when a song finished . While what I want is a really varied mix . This has now just started with Bossa Nova following eighties pop and then on to some Jit . As I say not found any settings that I could change but either it has learned from my scatological choices or I have activated something without knowing it .
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Post by petea on May 28, 2024 10:23:15 GMT
Surely your choices weren't that bad!
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Post by bencat on May 28, 2024 14:52:17 GMT
You really have no idea I can often clear the room with some of my choices .
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Post by bencat on May 29, 2024 8:56:50 GMT
I have now found out that the improvement of my Tidal random selections has nothing to do with Tidal but is the result of another LMS plug-in Last FM scrobbler is the beauty . On each player I have made this the choice for when a playlist ends . As the site records each song it learns about my choices . If the last song I chose was on Tidal it will make choices on Tidal from the full library . If it was from my own music then it continues with that . Whatever the results are very much improved from Yazoo to Frasey Ford is a jump but one I would make. The longer it is plugged in the more it learns .
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Post by MartinT on May 29, 2024 9:13:04 GMT
Tim got me onto Last.fm many years ago. I don't use it much for suggestions, but it accumulates fascinating statistics from scrobbling (I have Bubble set to scrobble all my Qobuz plays).
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Post by bencat on May 29, 2024 10:17:40 GMT
Martin i like to set a playlist off with about 20 of my own choice tracks and then have new tracks added . Within LMS there is a random addition that starts after the last track which then chooses songs from my own music in a random way . However if you were using Tidal when the last song there finishes Random Mix switches to your own Library . One of the only reasons for me to keep Tidal is to get new music to play and find some different artists . Using Last FM seems to do this and keeps the songs all from Tidal which is what I have been looking for as this suits me . As Last FM has now over a months worth f my random plays it seems to understand and use the wide range in its choice . Today I heard a track by Vulpeck called Funky Duck which was superb sadly the CD to buy is way too expensive but will keep an eye out now for any ones at a sensible price .
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Post by bencat on May 31, 2024 16:27:18 GMT
Well after a very long period of lethargy I decided it was time I got my three way active all connected up and working . This is the system I will be taking to the Maverick Show and has been in pieces for months so it needs to be working and being monitored before that . As often is the case with these things taking my time I connect everything up turn on and everything lights up . In my web GUI music is playing but no sound . Then a scrabble round on various settings on the Transporter , LMS , and router complete reboot of everything and music appears . Does not sound great but it has been unused for over three months . I had to go and do something else so turned everything off . Came back an hour later and fired everything up and again no sound . Check that all the settings I changed are still place and they are . With my short fuse the temptation was to start smashing things but stopped myself and went for a cup of tea and a sandwich . Came back and turned the system back on and music comes out . No idea why it went off or why now it is working now but I suspect it was a connection issue that needed to clear and reboot . So now this is on and working have put the Cascade burn in file on repeat and will give things another listen tomorrow . Such are the joys but I am certain things will improve and sound quality will improve after the burn in .
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Post by bencat on Jun 1, 2024 8:20:53 GMT
Good morning all and it is indeed a good morning . Woke up and went to the bedroom with my three way in it and there was the sound of Cascade having been running most of yesterday and all night . Start some music and the smile arrives , yes this is sounding very good now back to what I remember it before I stripped it down to swap stands . Bass is now excellent and sound stage is wider than I recall it was . Soundstage on this system was never one of its strong points as it is sealed baffle speakers hard against a wall . Active helped this and now it is actually very good , with the right recording they do make a very good job of throwing shapes behind and outside the speakers . Big relief for me now as I know this is working well and sounding at a level that I am very comfortable at letting others listen to it . No this is nothing even close to a perfect system and there are things that could be better but Boys are back in Town starts and I forget all that and just about reist the temptation to get out of my seat and start bopping about (trust me no one wants to see that least of all me) then the twin guitar solo starts and the smile on my face is a mile wide with sheer joy at the interplay and rhythmic dancing of the notes . Active does impart that real sense of speed in music the incredible stop and start of notes which so far I have not heard in any passive speaker . I find it addictive and miss in other speakers . Quad ESL is the nearest which is probably why I use them . Now just got to keep playing this every day until the show and hope nothing goes fft . Still need to do another DIRAC Live session but not screamingly essential . Also considering giving the Digital CR a tweak and making these two and half way rather than the full three way they currently are . Suspect it may well increase the overall bass but not quite sure . That though is for another day .
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Post by bencat on Jun 2, 2024 12:58:08 GMT
Right first things first my three way active is still sounding really nice and is playing away happily this is very pleasing and has made thoughts (and nerves) about the show recede for the moment . Expect that to change once we get closer to the date .
Next thing is my main system is sounding very good indeed and more consistent track to track than it has . The main arbiter of sound quality no matter what we do with the equipment will always be the quality of the recording . If it was really poorly recorded not matter what you do it will improve but it will never change a bad recording in to a good one . Best I can hope for and look for is that the music shines through and makes it that I can listen through the recording faults and enjoy the music any way . Currently this system seems to better at this and I find it very rare now that I just can not listen to a track even really dreadful recordings . This seems to have started since i bought some cheap spring feet to put under my equipment . DAC/Upsampler pair were first but now have my Transporter and Mutec were next . Have reduced all to three springs and this seems to work . They have cleaned up the sound and make it a little easier to hear minor things in the mix without them being highlighted bass also seems quicker and better defined . Not huge but still better at this stage I feel I have got most of my system sorted and I am not expecting any huge jumps in sound quality but I am open to that happening if it does .
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Post by MikeMusic on Jun 2, 2024 15:42:53 GMT
Three or four supports seem to make a difference on my systems too
Not always three and not always four Trial and error required
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Post by mattspl on Jun 2, 2024 18:14:43 GMT
I’m tempted to try some of those spring feet.
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