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Post by Tim on Mar 24, 2023 22:06:05 GMT
Currently building a Debian based JRiver music server as JRiver recommend using it. Never tried it before (just Linux Mint) and wondered if there are any Debian users on the forum?
Wasn't expecting it to work after reading reports of missing display drivers for AMD Ryzen 7 4700U processors running Debian, which is a relatively new CPU. The development team must have been busy, as it's gone on seamlessly. Only thing not installed were Wi-Fi drivers which I would have disabled anyway, so that's a non issue.
Crazy small lightweight O/S, which at the moment is under 4GB with a 1GB swap file and I've not started removing all the packaged software like Libre Office and a multitude of games. Apparently you can get a lean install down to around 800MB . . . I like the sound of that!
Just copying my FLAC library over at the moment, which is rather prompt onto the NVMe drive.
So if anyone uses it let me know, be interested in any thoughts/tips?
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Post by MartinT on Mar 24, 2023 22:28:45 GMT
A little experience with Raspberry Pi Debian and, before that, an old installation on a Toshiba laptop. Too long ago to be of much help, unfortunately.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Mar 24, 2023 23:08:26 GMT
Our paths cross again Tim. l did try to do the same thing,but abandoned, as due to my lack of experience with Linux,l just couldn't things to load via command prompt..So l may tap you up on this for a bit of help.
During my frustration l jumped to Volumio 3, which l believe is Dabian based. Everything is on hold at the moment,due to mot having power.
Let us know how it goes, and is there any advantages soundwise between mint and Dabian?
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Post by Tim on Mar 25, 2023 8:19:53 GMT
. . . . is there any advantages soundwise between mint and Dabian? I'd be surprised if there was, especially as it's serving as part of a network bridge, but I'm using it because of the very small footprint and dependability, as I know I can switch it on and leave it running until I decide to change something. My NAS is DIY and runs OpenMediaVault, also Debian based and that's not skipped a beat during the 3 odd years it's been running. I just admin in every now and then to check for updates, but nothing else, it just works. Debian is a rather dull O/S, there are no bells and whistles and you need a basic understanding of Linux to get the best out of it – and that's my level of knowledge, very basic. But I can find my way around and I quite enjoy the challenge. Linux Mint is a lot easier as it's very Windows like, but it's not as light weight and gets developed more regularly than Debian, Mint is also based on Debian – well Ubuntu, which in turn is based on Debian would be more accurate. One thing that's helpful for a Windows user is an understanding of how Linux maps drives and you really do need to be able to use a Terminal. Command line instructions MUST be correct or nothing will happen and likely have most people pulling their hair out. Typing accuracy in Terminal is non-negotiable. Yes Volumio is based on Debian, a lot describe Debian as the granddaddy of Linux distros, as it's been around a long time. It's dependable and you're in control, not the other way around. I expect once I've got it running how I want it, it'll sit there sipping around 20W for months. I like a music server to act like a piece of music hardware, turn it on and don't mess with it . . . just enjoy the music  |
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Post by Slinger on Mar 25, 2023 14:07:21 GMT
Typing accuracy in Terminal is non-negotiable. As, will be differentiating between upper and lower case, harking back to the days when I taught myself to write bits of code for a SCO UNIX box for a living. If there's a capital letter in the original, no matter HOW out of place you may think it looks it is NOT a typo.  |
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Post by stellabagpuss on Mar 25, 2023 14:20:04 GMT
Yes...l agree, l actually copied and pasted commands from jriver instructions and terminal just wouldn't recognise them...Probably just my inexperience.
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Post by Tim on Mar 25, 2023 18:29:15 GMT
Do you have an old laptop Damien? That's how I learnt Linux, just messing about at first then when I knew what was what, watched tutorials on YouTube. There are tons, for whatever flavour Linux you choose. Started with Ubuntu years ago at work, then left it alone for ages, before trying mint.... I found mint easy to adapt to as a Windows user. That's assuming you're interested in learning?
Old laptops are great as virtually every distro works on them if they've been around awhile.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Mar 25, 2023 18:41:40 GMT
lt still on my to do list Tim,l've got a few laptops kicking around, so will revisit.
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Post by MartinT on Mar 25, 2023 18:45:34 GMT
Even in Volumio you have to get the network address of the music share folder exactly correct in order for it to work.
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Post by Tim on Mar 25, 2023 21:10:36 GMT
All done, a bit of buggeration getting the APT repository installed as the Terminal command line isn't exactly the same as when I last did it (see below edit), or at least it didn't work, but I was using Mint on that occasion and a different JRiver, still wonky though. This worked for me Damien; wget -q "http://dist.jriver.com/mediacenter@jriver.com.gpg.key" -O- | sudo apt-key add- sudo wget dist.jriver.com/stable/mediacenter/mediacenter27.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mediacenter27.list sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install mediacenter27 When it's installing it asks for permission to install NEW packages, just enter Y EDIT:I found the problem, the first line on the JRiver MC27 Linux install guide has an error at the end, so you weren't doing anything wrong Damien, I think you said you were using MC27 too? I've updated the above and I'll test it later and report back. |
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Post by Tim on Mar 25, 2023 21:22:34 GMT
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Post by stellabagpuss on Mar 25, 2023 21:31:32 GMT
Thanks Tim, l look forward to giving it a bash
Damien
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Post by MartinT on Mar 25, 2023 22:57:56 GMT
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Post by Tim on Mar 26, 2023 7:57:42 GMT
Even in Volumio you have to get the network address of the music share folder exactly correct in order for it to work. Haha, I remember that . . . I think the air was a bit blue the first time I tried to get Volumio to talk to my NAS  Damien, if those command lines don't work I do have the entire Terminal session saved, which 'should' in theory work for you. I'm using the stable version of Debian 11.6.0 (amd64) on a Ryzen 7 4700U CPU, 16GB 3200 RAM and 2TB NVMe. There are three versions of JRiver available for each release in the repository - latest, stable and beta. I'm running MC27 stable. If I was in your position I might be more tempted to try it on Mint as that's a bit more user friendly, or just stay where you are? There is a learning curve jumping from Windows to Linux, which might not be worth the investment in time if you aren't intending to use Linux for anything else. Initial reaction is no discernible difference sound wise between running JRiver on Linux Mint or Debian, unlike the immediate difference I noticed between Roon and Volumio 3 . . . YMMV |
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Post by Tim on Mar 27, 2023 9:59:05 GMT
As per the above edited post (with the command lines), we weren't doing anything wrong Damien, the install instructions have an error for adding the APT repository. On the JRiver forum they have | sudo apt-key add - it should be | sudo apt-key add-The add command shouldn't have a space, add- not add - as they have it. So if you copy and paste that line you get a Warning: apt-key is deprecated error message and you can't go any further. So the above command lines I posted are correct. I've installed JRiver twice now on my laptop test machine using them, for both the Debian Xfce and Cinnamon desktop environments. So here's a suggestion, assuming you still want to try a Linux JRiver install? Reinstall Debian11 but during the installation process change the default desktop environment from Gnome to Cinnamon, which is a lot more user friendly and Windows like. You can then copy and paste the command lines I've posted and as I've just tested it for MC27 on Debian11 Cinnamon, it should be trouble free. No money back guarantees though, but it's all working on my test laptop and the main server with Gnome as the DE is still purring along nicely - I doubt I'll need to touch that at all now, unless I choose too |
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Post by stellabagpuss on Mar 27, 2023 12:51:21 GMT
Many Thanks Tim, Well it's good to know I'm not going nuts, with a error in the code. Your probably wonder why I haven't jumped on it, simply I have the builders in at the moment so I don't have any power to my listening room, but I with definitly revist and try.
Thanks again
Damien
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Post by Tim on Mar 27, 2023 14:18:19 GMT
Nope, you're definitely not going nuts, that's a definite typo. Linux is great . . . . it can be very frustrating for a new user though. I was determined to get to the bottom of it and I'm retired so have the time.
No worries if you don't need it, it's there if you do, I just wanted to give you a fair start if you decided to have another go.
Right, enough of this computer nonsense, time to enjoy the music. Good luck with the builders, hopefully they'll be more user friendly!
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Post by Tim on Apr 8, 2023 21:44:37 GMT
Just some further information for you Damien, as I have been messing around (again) with my JRiver Linux installations and moving the server from my Asus PN50 to the i5NUC as I discovered the NUC uses about 10W less power than the Asus, which as it runs 24/7 is a factor. Anyhoots, I decided to go back to the Xfce Edition of Linux Mint. After an initial failed install attempt I have learnt there is one very important factor - Media Center Linux installs are not as forgiving as Windows installs regarding the OS version. They are written for specific versions of Linux, so if the JRiver guide page for installing MC27 says 'Use the latest Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, Debian 10 Buster, Linux Mint 20' you must use one of those versions or it is very likely the install will fail. I just put the latest version of Mint 21.1 Xfce on the NUC and JRiver 27 would not install from the Terminal, whatever commands I tried - so I downloaded Mint 20.0 Xfce and it went on first time without a hitch. Worth bearing in mind  |
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Post by stellabagpuss on Apr 8, 2023 22:04:18 GMT
Thanks Tim for the information. I am still waiting on power reconnection, but it's great your reporting and documenting your discoveries.
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Post by Tim on Apr 10, 2023 18:25:42 GMT
Thanks Tim for the information. I am still waiting on power reconnection, but it's great your reporting and documenting your discoveries. No worries, I'm learning here too. In fact I'm just about to bin Windows for Linux full time on my main PC, I much prefer it for many reasons. I'm guessing you might know this, but just in case you don't and I've just tried it myself, to make sure it's correct. But they have made installing newer versions of JRiver MC a lot easier and I just did it, but it does mean you would need a new licence, which if you had a previous licence is currently $23.98 for a Linux upgrade - a master licence upgrade is $33.98 I'm running Linux Mint Cinnamon 21.1 (latest version) on my test machine and installation of JRiver MC30 is just a case of downloading the .deb file from the page below, double clicking it and it unpacks and installs itself, just like a Windows download would - you don't need to go near the Terminal at all! I'm going to upgrade all my machines to Mint 21.1 as it's as close to Windows as you're going to get for ease of use and then grab the MC30 upgrade. I 'think' I'll be done then  This is the latest build of MC30 for Linux |
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