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Post by stellabagpuss on Apr 10, 2023 20:08:37 GMT
Thats kinda of gutting Tim, as l stopped at MC 29, thinking that's it...and l was offered a discount as well on MC30, but as you said, it sounds like Jriver are waking up to the fact there customer base is playing with Linux more.
Yet again Tim...A Big Thank You 😊
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Post by Tim on Apr 10, 2023 20:27:50 GMT
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Post by MartinT on Apr 10, 2023 20:49:53 GMT
When I have some free time, I'm going to try Mint on a spare laptop. I previously messed with Debian and Ubuntu, the latter being the more generally useful to me.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Apr 10, 2023 21:35:59 GMT
🤣 TBH l have, and You have just taught me what a .deb file is.. Your right...It scares me 🤣 So l presume, it's just a case of double clicking the file? And it install the program? |
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Post by Tim on Apr 10, 2023 22:36:10 GMT
When I have some free time, I'm going to try Mint on a spare laptop. I previously messed with Debian and Ubuntu, the latter being the more generally useful to me. I have to say Martin Linux Mint 21.1 with the Cinnamon desktop is really quite impressive, for a Windows user it's very easy to use, no bloat so it's extremely fast and the software that's included pretty much covers most the average home user would need. A browser window opens instantly which is quite a novelty, it feels like an operating system should do . . . an operating system! I personally prefer it to Ubuntu as that's got Canonical behind it, but I do like Ubuntu too. Mint appeals to me more as it's an open source community project, so nothing to do with anything corporate, but I'm a lot more picky than most! I think you'll like it, Linux has made a lot of progress over the last few years. So l presume, it's just a case of double clicking the file? And it install the program? That's pretty much it Damien, from that list of files the top file after Linux AMD64: is most likely what you'll need, that's for a 64bit system. Just click it and it will download and go into the Downloads folder, double click it when it's downloaded and it installs - same as installing a Windows download. I haven't however tested MC 29 on Mint 21.1, but if all you want is a Music Server, it's not essential to have the latest version of Mint. Older versions are available on the website. Even though it's easier to install, you do still need that right version of Linux. I thought I would try and save myself the 24 bucks and tried to install MC 27 on Mint 21.1, but it won't do it. I really want Mint 21.1 on all my machines now, so I'm going to shell out the cash for MC 30 which definitely does install and work, I've tested it now playing music directly and remotely by an app (not BubbleUPnP MartinT  ). I want all three of the PCs I use regularly to have Mint 21.1 on, just keeps it simple, so that's why I'm going to the trouble of redoing everything. It's been time consuming, but I've learnt loads. |
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Post by stellabagpuss on Apr 11, 2023 6:56:24 GMT
Well Tim, l think you have done a Stirling job of documenting your discoveries with Linux and Jriver,and more importantly, relaying it in a simple to understand manner.
Alot of your discoveries are new information, and that's kinda of where we are at with Jriver..Linux is a after thought, but you only have to look at how many Audiophiles have left Windows OS,with the likes of Volumio etc eating into market share,and of course the amount of streamers that at Linux based ultimately offer better audio quality,then Window OS.
I thank you again Tim
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Post by Tim on Apr 11, 2023 9:19:54 GMT
Well, there's a reason the Linux kernel is the base of the world's top 500 supercomputers. Most people probably think that Windows is the world's most used operating system . . . for home and office use kind of, however Android is apparently the most common in terms of web use, that's based on Linux. But what actually powers the worlds IT infrastructure isn't Windows or iOS. I used to really like Windows, but it's becoming too intrusive and controlling for my liking. The difference in responsiveness and usability on my daily PC is very different running Mint compared to Windows 10, it's noticeably faster. Getting nerdy now, so I'll get back in my box   Have fun if you ever delve in - I enjoy it, but I've been building my own computers since the early 90s. First one had a 486 25 MHz CPU, 4MB Ram and Windows 3.1 . . . that wouldn't even start my phone now, let alone run a music server! |
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Post by MartinT on Apr 11, 2023 9:32:13 GMT
Linus Torvalds could not have known the beast he was letting out of the cage!
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Post by Tim on Apr 11, 2023 18:16:35 GMT
I'm sorted now, all testing is finished and I've got the music server fully configured and up and running with Linux Mint 21.1 and MC30 - I'll run it till the end of the 30 day trial period before shelling out the $24.00, just in case there are any issues. I don't normally go for the latest version of JRiver, preferring to buy the last stable version before they release a new one - normally every 3 years. Fingers crossed it's OK, but that should see me settling back to normal service now. Amazing what a chain of events ditching Roon started, but I've got a step up in sound quality, a much improved streaming service provider and I'm playing more music . . . . I'd call that a win  |
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Post by Tim on Apr 12, 2023 10:21:42 GMT
Haha, well curiosity got the better of me, so just for the hell of it I put a brand new install of Mint 21.1 (Cinnamon) on my test bed and went to here and downloaded JRiver Media Center 29.0.86 which as far as I can see was the final version. It defaults to the Downloads folder, so when completed I double clicked it and the Install Package window opens (there is a slight delay here while it unpacks). Then it's just a case of clicking the 'Install Package' button and off it goes. A fresh install of JRiver MC29 on Mint 21.1 with zero pain, in just a few clicks. Just for info, I did the above install first and before installing any updates for Mint, as you will be prompted to update the OS right after installation. No idea how stable it would be, but it opens as normal and I imported a few albums into the library which it played. No money back guarantees however as what works for me on my hardware might not be the same for anyone else, but it shouldn't be any different |
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Post by Tim on Apr 15, 2023 21:39:00 GMT
All change . . . . gone back to Debian 11 for the music server, JRiver MC30 'disappeared' a couple of times during the week on Mint 21.1, as in shutdown for no reason whilst idle. No idea if it was down to JRiver or Mint, but I never experienced any shutdowns running MC27 on Debian, so decided to save the cost of upgrading to MC30 and gone back to a bare bones Debian/JRiver MC27 install. That combination has proven extremely stable, makes sense as Linux JRiver is written specifically for Debian. Lost count of how many times I’ve installed Linux and JRiver now and on 4 different machines. For now I’ve settled on an AMD Athlon 3000G based system, low power and silent. Hopefully that's me done . . . . again!  |
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Post by stellabagpuss on Apr 15, 2023 21:51:31 GMT
Well that's a shame, after all the time you put into it Tim.
At least your happy and up and running.
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Post by MartinT on Apr 15, 2023 22:00:59 GMT
Life is all about learning, but that was a steep curve! Glad you've got the music going again.
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Post by Tim on Apr 15, 2023 22:05:08 GMT
Well, I'm a lot further down the Linux road now, so can't be too disappointed - still a bumbling newbie hobbyist mind you, but at least it doesn't scare me anymore. Kind of validates my normal practice of not getting the latest version right away and Debian is normally rock solid, not had any issues with MC27 before either . . . saved myself 24 bucks too! And Volumio 3 is running on a Pi 2 acting as a network bridge, playing Dark Side of the Moon gapless. Happy days |
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Post by stellabagpuss on Apr 21, 2023 6:51:08 GMT
Funny coincidence, had a email for a,upgrade Jriver MC31 today.
Haven't got a clue on what differences are planned, but since MC28 the audio side seems to have had a handbrake applied,it's seems the video side is now priority with MC these days
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Post by Tim on Apr 21, 2023 9:02:51 GMT
Agreed, reading the forum discussions about the newer versions, it seems all about video media functionality and improvements in that area. I only use it for music, so I'm happy to stay with MC27 which does all I need.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Apr 21, 2023 10:58:58 GMT
Same here, stopped at MC29 Tim. Shame they abandoned the Audio side.
I like to see J Remote improved, but it's just that, a remote.
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Post by Tim on Apr 21, 2023 11:15:06 GMT
Not sure I'd view it as they've abandoned it, there isn't for me anything that needs doing to it, as it works so I don't need anything else. That's what I like about it, it doesn't change much unless it needs to, unlike Roon which is a constant moving target. I guess it depends on your expectations, I'm a bit of a dinosaur, I like things to stay the same until I want them to change.
Do you use JRemote or JRemote2? I'm on 2, nothing really different there but supposedly more stable, but never had a problem with the first one.
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Post by Tim on May 2, 2023 18:02:20 GMT
Funny coincidence, had a email for a,upgrade Jriver MC31 today. Haven't got a clue on what differences are planned, but since MC28 the audio side seems to have had a handbrake applied,it's seems the video side is now priority with MC these days I just bought a Linux licence for MC31 - only $19.98 so about 16 quid, can't complain at that and it'll keep me going for another 4 or 5 years. I needed a newer licence as I'm going all in for Linux as my daily driving PC and MC 27 won't run on Linux Mint 21.1, it's not supported. I even tried installing it on Mint 20.3 but when I upgraded that to 21.1 the installer removed it  I'll still have MC27 running on my Debian music server though, that's stable as you like |
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Post by stellabagpuss on May 2, 2023 19:43:23 GMT
Tim l don't know how you have the patience.
Personally l will be trying Daphile first,if l can obtain the same audio quality as Volumio 3.
l have a lot of testing to do once
my setup back and running.
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