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Post by MartinT on Jul 17, 2014 11:43:32 GMT
Folks i honestly thought and wished the TAS would be a breath of fresh air. Alas its not to be - The treatment of Mr Dunn by the owner and Moderators beggars belief. I thought other forums were bad with their Draconian Censorship rules, but Fuk this place must surely take the biscuit. Not content with a naughty step or a wee ban or a life time ban.......No the muppets here QUARANTINE. VERY POOR FORM INDEED. Your opinion is noted, Jammy, but you have given no examples of where you think our moderation 'beggars belief'.
So you think that a lifetime ban is better than having your posts quarantined? An interesting viewpoint.
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Post by yomanze on Jul 17, 2014 12:55:34 GMT
Folks i honestly thought and wished the TAS would be a breath of fresh air. Alas its not to be - The treatment of Mr Dunn by the owner and Moderators beggars belief. I thought other forums were bad with their Draconian Censorship rules, but Fuk this place must surely take the biscuit. Not content with a naughty step or a wee ban or a life time ban.......No the muppets here QUARANTINE. VERY POOR FORM INDEED. Meanwhile calling the forum owners "muppets" is completely acceptable. End of the day people can't be arsed with vitriol and direct insults like calling peoples' views "bollocks" and "nonsense". As for past feuds then everyone needs to grow some and leave it at the door. I have an incredible amount of respect for Richard's experience and great sounding equipment, but that yellow bar building up wasn't because some sort of agenda it's because he has been pissing a lot of people off! It can't be difficult to leave out the insults and just hit the ignore button rather than get sucked into things with people you have beef with. |
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Post by danielquinn on Jul 17, 2014 13:04:05 GMT
The issue is not what you pefer , forums are full of posts that deprive me of the will to live , but i wouldn't want to silence them .
The issue is the fair , reasonable and just moderation of all posters .
If you want a little community who just want "abscent friends" who slap each other on the back and compliment thier hifi, car , camera , watch, taste in music and choices in life then so be it , but IMO real life is better and such a cyber space arena would be terminally dull .
Me I prefer an arena in which ideas about hifi , the world and all its contents are aired , challenged and developed .
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Post by yomanze on Jul 17, 2014 13:06:26 GMT
I totally agree DQ, but all of that can happen without people resorting to slanging and personal insults. Better to do it with knowledge and experience.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 13:10:09 GMT
The issue is not what you pefer , forums are full of posts that deprive me of the will to live , but i wouldn't want to silence them . The issue is the fair , reasonable and just moderation of all posters . If you want a little community who just want "abscent friends" who slap each other on the back and compliment thier hifi, car , camera , watch, taste in music and choices in life then so be it , but IMO real life is better and such a cyber space arena would be terminally dull . Me I prefer an arena in which ideas about hifi , the world and all its contents are aired , challenged and developed . Quite often without insult and gratuitous rudeness. Most of us manage this in real life as well as cyberspace. If I'm being challenged I do prefer "i think you are wrong and this is why" to "thats a load of bollocks/nonsense" If you think that's dull then so be it but that's the way I am and it appears one or two others are as well. |
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Jul 17, 2014 13:11:57 GMT
Indeed. Manners cost nothing.
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Post by Marco on Jul 17, 2014 13:13:14 GMT
The issue is not what you pefer , forums are full of posts that deprive me of the will to live , but i wouldn't want to silence them . The issue is the fair , reasonable and just moderation of all posters . If you want a little community who just want "abscent friends" who slap each other on the back and compliment thier hifi, car , camera , watch, taste in music and choices in life then so be it , but IMO real life is better and such a cyber space arena would be terminally dull . Me I prefer an arena in which ideas about hifi , the world and all its contents are aired , challenged and developed .
If I'm being challenged I do prefer "i think you are wrong and this is why" to "thats a load of bollocks/nonsense" If you think that's dull then so be it but that's the way I am and it appears one or two others are as well.
Marco.
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Post by danielquinn on Jul 17, 2014 13:14:05 GMT
I agree with you both , [ not you ali or marco ] despite being a regular user of the word bollocks . And that is how they should have been moderated .
As for manners costing nothing , well my children required 2 to 3 years of socialisation before they acquired them and the last time i looked at my bank account those years dont come free .
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Post by Marco on Jul 17, 2014 13:27:57 GMT
How can you not agree with me when I've just agreed with the two people you've said you agree with?  Marco. |
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 17, 2014 13:29:04 GMT
I totally agree DQ, but all of that can happen without people resorting to slanging and personal insults. Better to do it with knowledge and experience. Then why not apply that rule to the people who start it, again history is being re-written. Most is in the archive but a lot has been binned due to censorship and bniased moderation. I have done nothing but respond, but the initiators are part of the clique and in-crowd that is developing here. Thsi forum will just go the way of the others - apart from HFS of course. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 13:33:27 GMT
I agree with you both , [ not you ali or marco ] despite being a regular user of the word bollocks . And that is how they should have been moderated . As for manners costing nothing , well my children required 2 to 3 years of socialisation before they acquired them and the last time i looked at my bank account those years dont come free . I don't understand this post. I think you will find that word 'nonsense' came from Mr Dunn. I reckon that, as Mr Dunn is the same age as me, he has probably had time to amortise the cost of his social education. |
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Post by danielquinn on Jul 17, 2014 13:37:06 GMT
gus what are you saying ?
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Post by danielquinn on Jul 17, 2014 13:39:04 GMT
How can you not agree with me when I've just agreed with the two people you've said you agree with? Marco. Logically , all you did was endorse the post of another . So to agree with you , I would in fact be agreeing with your endorsement of what gus said , not what gus said . I have a certain difficulty agreeing with your endorsement of gus's post as it is not one that personally you have upheld in the past. I have noted your recent words and whilst it is early days , I am happy to accept a change of track , however , your posts with RD on the moderation thread are more old Marco than new Marco and hence my difficulty . Best if you ignore him totally until new marco - if this is to be case - is on a more firm footing and then it will be easier to move on . As billy bragg said The past is always knocking incessant Trying to break through into the present We have to work to keep it out But I won't be the first to shout it's over And indeed we are all capable of change as I used to want to plant bombs at the last night of the proms But now you'll find me with the baby, in the bathroom, With that big shell, listening for the sound of the sea baby and me . |
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 17, 2014 13:39:54 GMT
Nonsense is as nonsense does and if IMO you are talking nonsense I will tell you, take it or leave it. Note "talking nonsense" not YOU being nonsense. Always after the word nonsense you get the explanation why, and I always justify my claims. The problem is when I get a nonsense back it IS designed as an insult as there is never any back up, so pure ad hominem.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 13:42:33 GMT
gus what are you saying ? I was trying to see the relevance of the price of your children's social education, sorry I forgot to allow for the usual pedantics  |
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Post by danielquinn on Jul 17, 2014 13:44:28 GMT
gus what are you saying ? I was trying to see the relevance of the price of your children's social education. That was my trite response to ali T trite truism post . As I said i agreed with your post . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 13:48:05 GMT
I was trying to see the relevance of the price of your children's social education. That was my trite response to ali T trite truism post . As I said i agreed with your post . Thats quite a delayed action you have there  |
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Post by Seppi on Jul 17, 2014 14:09:20 GMT
That was my trite response to ali T trite truism post . As I said i agreed with your post . Thats quite a delayed action you have there Not as delayed as the Doc's ... |
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Post by Marco on Jul 17, 2014 14:35:27 GMT
How can you not agree with me when I've just agreed with the two people you've said you agree with? Marco. Logically , all you did was endorse the post of another . So to agree with you , I would in fact be agreeing with your endorsement of what gus said , not what gus said . I have a certain difficulty agreeing with your endorsement of gus's post as it is not one that personally you have upheld in the past. I have noted your recent words and whilst it is early days , I am happy to accept a change of track , however , your posts with RD on the moderation thread are more old Marco than new Marco and hence my difficulty . Quality pedantry! So if you agree with the words Gordon wrote, I quote: "Quite often without insult and gratuitous rudeness. Most of us manage this in real life as well as cyberspace. If I'm being challenged I do prefer "i think you are wrong and this is why" to "thats a load of bollocks/nonsense" If you think that's dull then so be it but that's the way I am and it appears one or two others are as well." Would you then also agree that Richard would benefit from heeding the above advice, by moderating the way he addresses people in future (treating them with due civility, when they have shown nothing else to him), and perhaps then he wouldn't get into such trouble in the first place? If you like forums to replicate what happens in the real world (in terms of experiencing what you're used to), is your life continually full of conflict and aggravation, or in general harmony and contentment? I know what I'm more used to in my life, which is why I refuse to entertain the influence of irritants on AoS. Quite simply, life is much nicer when you share it with happy, smiley people Marco. |
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Post by danielquinn on Jul 17, 2014 15:25:49 GMT
Marco , your post proceeds on the basis the past didn't happen
However , I believe the situation between you and RD is entirely your fault . I can appreciate you may not agree , but more to the point i am bloody sure that's what RD believes . He as only ever attacked what you have written * : you attacked him , his wife NVA and his ability to make a living .
As stated , I am happy for you to move on from your past , but as Billy Bragg knows ,moving on from the past is a conundrum and somewhat difficult and I don't appreciate why RD should , I don't recall you even apologising .
* Before you respond , I am happy to accept that RD came on to your forum and called what you had written bollocks , but i have no doubt he would have proven why it was bollocks with a full explanation and no matter what , abrasive language cannot ever be justifiable reason for all that ensued .
And yes , I do agree that RD's confrontational style can be counter productive , but i also think some people react to it like arjen robben reacts to an attempted tackle .
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