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Post by roxbrough on Aug 8, 2015 16:27:10 GMT
It might interest you to know that I am using the orange lawnmower cable to speakers and it sounds totally transparent to my ears.
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Post by roxbrough on Aug 9, 2015 12:21:35 GMT
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Post by roxbrough on Aug 9, 2015 12:24:59 GMT
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Post by roxbrough on Aug 10, 2015 11:00:18 GMT
Roxbrough 75i 0.75m    Ultra low loss 75 ohm RG6 with upvc sheathing and PTFE inner shield, gold plated Rean RCA phono plugs. |
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Post by MartinT on Aug 10, 2015 11:45:28 GMT
You've been busy!
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Post by roxbrough on Aug 10, 2015 13:07:04 GMT
I'm thinking of putting them on the net, as the usual sizes are always offered.
No one else seems to make 0.75m
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Post by pinkie on Aug 11, 2015 7:37:06 GMT
Watch out for other variables I have just made up a new set of leads for the Pip2 to Bencmark balanced connection. At home I had been using a set made with Klotz MC5000. At Sovereigns I took the shorter, thinner more convenient starquad set made for me by Owen. Sovereign was using Klotz into his SECA. The Klotz has seemed warmer and richer, but maybe veiled and even "dull" at the top. Maybe - I've not done a lot of (any really) careful comparative evaluations - too busy with other stuff. But consistently when I have thought I notice something Klotz is the LP12 cable. And at Sovereigns the SECA/ Klotz pairing was the LP12 "valve" pairing. Problem is the quad cores are 1m long, and that won't reach from pip to benchmark unless I dig out longer speaker cables - the perils of custom length cables for domestic tidiness - not ideal for trying new kit. So I made up some 2m balanced ic's using ofc starquad with appropriate shielding (van damme xke starquad microphone cable in Everton blue) using my new sinful lead-tin solder. And failed to find time to listen (returned students and premier league football interfered) But I hooked them up and had a quick listen the other day. Not sure. Hooked them up yesterday with Katie Melua - as something I know I know from the other cables. Yes - definitely (that's fairly sure) more open, not dull or losing sparkle, but still solid bass. Without A:B fairly sure this was all good. Clear, transparent, unmuddy, solid rich bass everything right Except something was wrong. Couldn't put my finger on it, couldn't really describe it, but I wasn't relaxing into the music. It wasn't real. And it wasn't the cables. It was speaker position. The ESL63's weren't tucked tidily against the wall for house sale viewings - they were out in the room. But not full out - just maybe 2ft off the back wall. And I was only snatching a quick listen, so hadn't fiddled to bring them another foot forward. But what a difference that foot made. Now everything was bang on. Still the same open, clear, transparent, rich bass - but real, and relaxing and totally involving. Watch out Cagey its coming to a living room near you soon!  |
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Post by roxbrough on Aug 11, 2015 12:02:40 GMT
Very interesting piece pinkie, you should let us have a couple of photos.
Which interconnect wire gets your top vote please?
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Post by AlanS on Aug 11, 2015 12:34:09 GMT
I'm thinking of putting them on the net, as the usual sizes are always offered. No one else seems to make 0.75m Oh they do NVA Flashback Mark Grant to name just 3 |
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Post by roxbrough on Aug 11, 2015 16:01:18 GMT
Thanks for the information AlanS, I think I can undercut the three you mention.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 16:31:57 GMT
The NVAs are special IMO. The price is bordering on silly considering the base cable price. None of that would matter if the cable didn't sound good, but it really does sound clear and "right" to my ears.
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Post by The Brookmeister on Aug 11, 2015 16:38:17 GMT
Thanks for the information AlanS, I think I can undercut the three you mention. Set business up at companies house Register with HMRC Obtain liability insurance Etc, etc,etc. Then undercut them? Good luck with that dude! |
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Post by roxbrough on Aug 11, 2015 18:24:45 GMT
The NVAs are special IMO. The price is bordering on silly considering the base cable price. None of that would matter if the cable didn't sound good, but it really does sound clear and "right" to my ears. Sounds enticing, I think I will have to investigate. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 19:13:23 GMT
The base cable is RG 316/U but there are lots of fakes out there. The stuff from the U.S. Is more likely to be genuine buy in all honesty you are likely to pay close to £4 a metre and the you have the cost of plugs. NVA sell the made up leads so cheaply, it probably makes more sense just to buy theirs. Of course you could pick up a used pair even more cheaply  Edit: BTW your coax cable may see off some notionally more expensive cables. A mate made me some leads out of be best coax he could find and it eclipsed Chord Cobra cables which cost me fifty notes. |
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Post by pinkie on Aug 12, 2015 8:54:59 GMT
I thought RG316U was a cable specification - a bit like 10W40 for motor oil. You can get different cables made to that spec by different manufacturers, but not really a "fake" It would be interesting to try. Not whilst I have the Benchmark - apart from the fact that Dunn and I aren't on cuddling terms, and I don't fancy my chances if I asked him to make me a set, it is unsuitable for fully balanced connection. Once I plug the Quad back in I might see if I can pick up a set. A look at the cable suggests my working hypothesis for "why" is sound - and quality of shielding is the big issue. Owen has agreed to try some measurements to see if we can measure what is happening and associate a measurement to a sound, but there are a lot of variables, and doing ABX is going to be too bothersome for "just a bit of fun". I have a photo for you roxborough - - and I'm not sure what you can tell from a photo. My iffy soldering is hidden inside the connectors!  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 10:15:20 GMT
I think the issue is that the "fakes" aren't of the correct spec. They are designed to look that part from the outside but don't have the right properties. Circa £4 a metre is still a pretty expensive base cable so there's probably money in faking it.
I bought some of the cheaper far eastern stuff and it wasn't very good, I bought some of the more expensive stuff from the U.S. and it's excellent. I also have NVA Soundcords with which to compare. As I now use double lengths (akin to SSC) it outperforms the SC. whilst the differences aren't huge, they are worthwhile for the price of an extra 2 lengths of cable if you are DIYing. That said, I'd recommend simply buying SC from NVA as you get well made interconnects that you know will sound good. I realise that may not be for everyone though.
I've yet to experiment with various plugs but I must admit to having heard no difference previously when experimenting with Rega Couple (Neutrik Profis) and home made Klotz LaGrange (Rean plugs). They both sounded identical.
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Post by roxbrough on Aug 12, 2015 20:12:35 GMT
The base cable is RG 316/U but there are lots of fakes out there. The stuff from the U.S. Is more likely to be genuine buy in all honesty you are likely to pay close to £4 a metre and the you have the cost of plugs. NVA sell the made up leads so cheaply, it probably makes more sense just to buy theirs. Of course you could pick up a used pair even more cheaply Edit: BTW your coax cable may see off some notionally more expensive cables. A mate made me some leads out of be best coax he could find and it eclipsed Chord Cobra cables which cost me fifty notes. I have been listening to the various ones I have created Singularity and I have noticed that aerial cable beats instrument or so called specialist interconnect every time! Having said that I've ordered some Van Damme guitar cable today, but I have to confess it was the fact that it's bright orange that persuaded me to get some........watch this space. |
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Post by roxbrough on Aug 12, 2015 20:13:34 GMT
I thought RG316U was a cable specification - a bit like 10W40 for motor oil. You can get different cables made to that spec by different manufacturers, but not really a "fake" It would be interesting to try. Not whilst I have the Benchmark - apart from the fact that Dunn and I aren't on cuddling terms, and I don't fancy my chances if I asked him to make me a set, it is unsuitable for fully balanced connection. Once I plug the Quad back in I might see if I can pick up a set. A look at the cable suggests my working hypothesis for "why" is sound - and quality of shielding is the big issue. Owen has agreed to try some measurements to see if we can measure what is happening and associate a measurement to a sound, but there are a lot of variables, and doing ABX is going to be too bothersome for "just a bit of fun". I have a photo for you roxborough - - and I'm not sure what you can tell from a photo. My iffy soldering is hidden inside the connectors! I love the colour obviously, what do you use it for and how do you find it? |
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Post by roxbrough on Aug 12, 2015 20:15:44 GMT
I'm thinking of putting them on the net, as the usual sizes are always offered. No one else seems to make 0.75m Oh they do NVA Flashback Mark Grant to name just 3 You are right, this morning though I made up some 0.44m, does anyone make them? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 23:14:40 GMT
Does anybody need them over a 0.5, pair?
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75ohm multistrand with L EN751 insulation.
with RB58 50 ohm and sheath insulation.
