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Post by Chris on Apr 7, 2015 10:07:29 GMT
I've a bit running about to do the now DQ but I will get back to you. Appreciate your time.
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Post by yomanze on Apr 7, 2015 10:13:22 GMT
Do you have any warnings? EDIT: ah you do, they've been lining you up then...
What you really need to find out is if anyone else has made a similar mistake, and whether they took action then.
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Post by yomanze on Apr 7, 2015 10:20:04 GMT
Just to add to this, getting sacked without a warning is a 'summary dismissal' due to 'gross misconduct', which would include: dishonesty; theft; malicious damage; fighting or assault on another person; serious incapability through the use of alcohol or illegal drugs; actions which endanger other employees’ safety; gross negligence; a serious act of insubordination. From: www.landaulaw.co.uk/gross-misconduct/ |
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Post by danielquinn on Apr 7, 2015 10:24:35 GMT
It could also be contractual. For example , an employer contract could list any action which if undertaken will lead to instant dismissal .
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Post by Chris on Apr 7, 2015 15:01:34 GMT
The long and short of it is that it's pretty sewn up legally - all procedures have been followed etc etc. This is now a damage limitation exercise for me to try and keep my job. There will be two issues that will arise : 1 the offence itself which is pretty easy to cover - as stated its my first mistake in hundreds of instances. Then there's the 2nd issue which these two bosses refer to as "my attitude".
As it stands the MSL(big boss) has humped me over and I did mention this to the rig manager over a year ago. I also requested a rig change and a crew change both f which were ignored - to me this is me trying to sort the problem and management failing me. It also means I've had to put up with their crap for over a year and a half which is highly tedious. It's pretty much 50/50 and I reckon that them not helping me wouldbe a pretty good line of approach.
All they have to do is move me crew and problem solved!!
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Post by danielquinn on Apr 7, 2015 15:34:10 GMT
if your attitude is a problem upon which they will seek to dismiss you , it would need to have formed part of previous disciplinary grievances . A genuine mistake [ walking to close to blades ] is not indicative of a bad attitude .
So to bring up your attitude now , following this incident , is somewhat perplexing . If there was no problem the day before your walking to close to blades which was worth mentioning , why is there a problem because of this one silly mistake .
you can not really leave an allegation of a "bad attitude" hanging over an employee indefinitley , the situation needs to be addressed , monitored and resolved and once done , left in the past .
it should be noted that the rules that apply to you , also apply to them and you can make your own grievance procedure as to their management style .
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Post by Chris on Apr 7, 2015 15:40:47 GMT
My "attitude" has been the subject of a grievance before but it was caused by my direct boss talking to me like shit then being told to fuck off. This is kind of what's happening here dq - my direct boss has been winding me up for about a year,I've risen to it once which he then takes to his boss and then I get a warning whilst my direct boss gets off with instigating the whole incident!!
Sickening.
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Post by danielquinn on Apr 7, 2015 15:45:04 GMT
Then you need to make a complaint or kill him whilst he is asleep and throw him of the rig . I recommend the former  |
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Post by Chris on Apr 7, 2015 15:46:30 GMT
Did the complaint bit and that got ignored.
Killing him won't be a problem.
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Post by ChrisB on Apr 9, 2015 7:01:51 GMT
All the best for your meeting today Chris
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Post by MartinT on Apr 9, 2015 7:23:26 GMT
Good luck!
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 9, 2015 8:15:13 GMT
All the best from me too Chris
Would floating "Constructive dismissal" in the conversation help ?
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Post by Chris on Apr 9, 2015 13:12:17 GMT
Got offered a deal. Take 3 months wages and fuck off or go back to the rig and next time I do ANYTHING wrong I'm sacked straight away. I've a couple of days to think about it.
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Apr 9, 2015 13:26:45 GMT
I'd consult a solicitor mate.
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Post by stanleyb on Apr 9, 2015 13:49:59 GMT
It depends on your prospects as far as finding another job is concerned. What you did initially was highly dangerous so getting a choice of two options is far more than I personally had expected you to be offered.
If you do decide to take the money and run, make sure that you talk to the human resource manager about any future reference inquiry. The last thing you want is for any prospective new employer to be made aware of the incident.
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Post by Chris on Apr 9, 2015 13:49:59 GMT
Why? Am I not just better going back to work and shutting up?
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Post by Chris on Apr 9, 2015 13:51:49 GMT
A future reference is no problem and another job wouldn't be too tricky either.
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Post by stanleyb on Apr 9, 2015 13:53:22 GMT
Why? Am I not just better going back to work and shutting up? I have had to do just that on more than one occasion. Solicitors tend to put the company on a back foot and they'll get you for that one day. Trust me, I was a big shot manager once and know enough about what goes on in staff discussion meetings. If you are sure that you can keep your nose clean, then go back to work. But start looking for the next job opportunity. The axe will be behind the door waiting for you. |
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Post by stanleyb on Apr 9, 2015 13:55:47 GMT
A future reference is no problem and another job wouldn't be too tricky either. Then take the money and run. But try to squeeze more than three months out of them based on outstanding holidays. |
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Post by Chris on Apr 9, 2015 13:59:07 GMT
Yeah exactly what I'm thinking Stanleyb. We've a bonus due no later than January so I've GOT to stick it out till then. I'd love to have a job lined up and then walk as soon as THATS paid. Keeping my nose clean will be nigh on impossible though due to the other people involved who would LOVE to see me fucked over.
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