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Post by John on Aug 8, 2019 9:06:42 GMT
Sounds like fun I wonder if Martin up for it as well as unit was still burning in and using supplied SMPS
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 10:02:08 GMT
Sounds like a great get together folks, would like to come along and listen as well
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Post by Stratmangler on Aug 8, 2019 11:23:26 GMT
Yes, I did think the Limetree app interface was making things a lot worse for Qobuz than is necessary. Volumio handles Qobuz a lot better. Poor control interfacing is a proper pet peeve of mine, and the sole reason why I'm scornful of equipment manufacturer's network rendering devices. They make gear that should be up to the job, then throw it all away with shitty control interfaces.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 11:58:59 GMT
Poor control interfacing is a proper pet peeve of mine, and the sole reason why I'm scornful of equipment manufacturer's network rendering devices. They make gear that should be up to the job, then throw it all away with shitty control interfaces.
Not often we agree on things Chris But I am with 100%, so far only two user interfaces I have found that work really well, one is a total ball ache to set up, after that by far and away the best commercially playback UI I have used and it costs zilch. The other is the Lumin app which again is very nice and simple to use and just works. Sop far only companies that have designed their own dedicated apps written by people who will use the UI rather than a third part that just makes it look pretty and slick. A real problem as it really puts people off using these things. I wrote my own playback software many years ago still sound superb today, BUT its not pretty, awkward to use and only 20 songs on a play list plus you have to manually adjust the the SR and clock configurations before listening. Oh for more time!
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Post by Stratmangler on Aug 8, 2019 13:18:57 GMT
Poor control interfacing is a proper pet peeve of mine, and the sole reason why I'm scornful of equipment manufacturer's network rendering devices. They make gear that should be up to the job, then throw it all away with shitty control interfaces.
Not often we agree on things Chris But I am with 100%, so far only two user interfaces I have found that work really well, one is a total ball ache to set up, after that by far and away the best commercially playback UI I have used and it costs zilch. The other is the Lumin app which again is very nice and simple to use and just works. Sop far only companies that have designed their own dedicated apps written by people who will use the UI rather than a third part that just makes it look pretty and slick. A real problem as it really puts people off using these things. I wrote my own playback software many years ago still sound superb today, BUT its not pretty, awkward to use and only 20 songs on a play list plus you have to manually adjust the the SR and clock configurations before listening. Oh for more time! It's not often we disagree on things either There are a number reasons why I stick to LMS. First off it's written by users, so whilst it may not look particularly pretty it's dependable and simple to use. The bit about users writing it is important. It may be called LMS (the L standing for Logitech), but it's opensource software. Logitech do not own it. If they pull the plug completely (they still pay for the forum and for the software will live on. Then there's the interfacing with content providers. It works with Tidal, Qobuz and Spotify, and the interfaces aren't all that difficult to get to grips with. I believe it also works with Deezer and Youtube. The BBC iPlayer plugin is absolutely superb. It's a pity that the programming content of what became my listen to station no longer has me listening at breakfast time or drive home time, but the Beeb will play politically correct games. I particularly miss Simon Mayo. Evans I could take or leave (and I haven't followed him onto Virgin). I can't be doing with Ball or Cox's "banging choons". I particularly like the interfacing I have with the players on the network. I have an app on my Smartphone that hooks up to my server, and I can control the players from the server. We have the same app on a couple of Android tablets. If you insist on using fruit based computing devices there's iPeng. I spend more time accessing the server using a web browser on my laptop.
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Post by Stratmangler on Aug 8, 2019 13:23:42 GMT
LMS also has a plugin for uPnP and DLNA support. It might be better interface than the one they've foisted on their customers.
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Post by John on Aug 8, 2019 15:45:23 GMT
I only used LMS with the SOtM and probably due to SOtM interface playing back files was horrendous as would keep cutting out whilst playing music I think the SOtM is probably at its best as a Roon endpoint.
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Post by Stratmangler on Aug 8, 2019 15:52:42 GMT
I only used LMS with the SOtM and probably due to SOtM interface playing back files was horrendous as would keep cutting out whilst playing music I think the SOtM is probably at its best as a Roon endpoint. What were you running things on, and how were they connected? They mention LMS on their website, so I think it might just be fine using it.
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Post by John on Aug 8, 2019 16:49:02 GMT
I was using the internal settings As I said it would play but stutter all the time
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Post by Stratmangler on Aug 8, 2019 17:16:06 GMT
I'm not surprised you had problems setting it up properly - their instruction manuals are shit, and that's being nice about it. Add in that they're probably working on a referral kickback scheme for Roon introductions, it's not in their financial interests to make it easy to use LMS. Grabbing bastards!
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Post by John on Aug 8, 2019 17:52:54 GMT
Totally agree Chris
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Post by Stratmangler on Aug 8, 2019 18:01:34 GMT
I thought it odd that you mentioned switching it on internally. You need to install LMS on another machine to get it to work. It doesn't have to be a Mac as LMS comes in Windows and Linux flavours too.
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Post by John on Aug 8, 2019 18:07:23 GMT
I did that Chris It's a while back so can't remember everything but elite Audio walked me through it and we did not resolve the issue
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Post by John on Aug 8, 2019 18:11:44 GMT
As I said it best used as a Roon endpoint that way works fin. Not fit for purpose around LMS or Spotify imo
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Post by alp on Aug 9, 2019 17:52:29 GMT
Seems like it is quite impressive, although pricey.
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Post by John on Aug 9, 2019 19:05:49 GMT
As I said depends what you compare it to. I think fairer to compare with the SOtM 200 Ultra Neo in which case its a good deal.
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Post by Clive on Aug 10, 2019 10:06:52 GMT
Seems like it is quite impressive, although pricey. As a consumer the Lindemann Limetree does look expensive though if it performs as well as reports suggest it'll be worth the premium. I believe there are a couple of reasons the Lindemann Limetree looks pricey: 1 - it's not simply a Pi in a box with an add-on card, indeed it's not a Pi at all so there will have been more development time/costs vs similar looking products, this includes software too 2 - Lindemann for better for worse have chosen a traditional pricing structure, ie distributor and dealer margin is included vs direct internet sales - frustrating for consumers but maybe in the end they sell more units this way...time will tell. I'm going to give it a go, they offer a 3 week trial so there's not a lot to lose.
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Post by Clive on Aug 29, 2019 19:25:05 GMT
Following John's lead I now have a Limetree Bridge. Anyone who think "bits are bits" needs their bits re-adjusting!
The clarity and lack of grunge is outstanding. I call it "hear through", it's so transparent. I've heard the topend Innuos but not in my system...I reckon it's on a par but that's a bit of a guess.
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Post by John on Aug 30, 2019 4:26:07 GMT
Glad it worked out for you Clive
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Post by Clive on Sept 1, 2019 10:06:57 GMT
John, I see that bluetooth is potentially a little glitchy for you. I've found this with Spotify yet with Alexa it's fine. I wonder if there's enough buffering with the Limetree. Placing my phone next to the Limetree seems to help but it makes it difficult selecting tracks.
Roll on native Spotify support...
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