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Post by John on Jul 19, 2019 6:17:24 GMT
I decided to create a separate thread for the Limetree network bridge.
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Post by John on Jul 19, 2019 6:43:51 GMT
The unit is quite fast starting up with no connection issues with my hub. This is a relief to be honest. Using the app is straight forward changing between different streaming options and the USB stick is simple, speedy and functional. Streaming is at the level I expect. However I am having to use Bluetooth to access Spotify as this is not integrated into the app I been told this will take 3 to 4 weeks The biggest change in terms of sound quality is playing music from the USB stick. It up sampling the files and this is giving more body and resolution To my ears it's a very natural sound and reminds me what I heard from the Topping when it was in Tony system Compared to more starker sound it now has a lot more warmth and resolution Just using stock power supply at the moment so I presume more to come when I can add the Supercap PSU
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Post by Stratmangler on Jul 19, 2019 17:35:23 GMT
No, it's not! It is resampling whatever you put into it to DSD.
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Post by John on Jul 19, 2019 18:33:02 GMT
Cheers Chris
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Post by The Brookmeister on Jul 19, 2019 19:18:54 GMT
The unit is quite fast starting up with no connection issues with my hub. This is a relief to be honest. Using the app is straight forward changing between different streaming options and the USB stick is simple, speedy and functional. Streaming is at the level I expect. However I am having to use Bluetooth to access Spotify as this is not integrated into the app I been told this will take 3 to 4 weeks The biggest change in terms of sound quality is playing music from the USB stick. It up sampling the files and this is giving more body and resolution To my ears it's a very natural sound and reminds me what I heard from the Topping when it was in Tony system Compared to more starker sound it now has a lot more warmth and resolution Just using stock power supply at the moment so I presume more to come when I can add the Supercap PSU Supercap is just a fad, people need something new so it seems that is it. A good lienar is not rocket science, supercaps create more problems then they solve.
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Post by John on Jul 19, 2019 19:32:01 GMT
I had a Supercaped PSU a bit before they became flavour of the month I had a well made PSU Dave I know which I prefer Can you be specific about what problems they cause I am interested in your thoughts on this If you wish I start a separate thread or is this another throwaway comment
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Post by MartinT on Jul 19, 2019 22:26:34 GMT
A good lienar is not rocket science, supercaps create more problems then they solve. For power supplies, supercaps are brilliant. They can supply massive transient demand, to the tune of hundreds rather than tens of instantaneous Amps. Looking at it another way, they reduce the output impedance of the power supply rather dramatically. That reduces noise on the lines (THD) and holds regulation (TID). Apart from requiring careful handling, and the price, what's the downside?
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Post by John on Jul 20, 2019 17:58:11 GMT
Good session with Martin today We could not get the ethernet to work using Martin PSU but we could still use it with the supplied power supply I would say Martins has the edge but not by much. I am looking forward to powering it better. The limetree bridge Qobuz interface is a bit of a pain for searching for music Great with files and the Bluetooth connection adds another leve of versatility Thanks Martin it was good to get a reference point as my system has changed so much. Definitely keeping the unit A nice step up from the SOtM ultra Neo, especially with files
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Post by julesd68 on Jul 20, 2019 22:19:26 GMT
Excellent news John.
What power does your streamer need - are you able to try it with battery for interest? Am sure the best is yet to come once you sort appropriate PSU.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 20, 2019 23:48:58 GMT
Yes, that was very enjoyable, John.
The Lindemann Limetree worked a treat once we switched to its own power supply. I suspect an earthing arrangement incompatibility between my QP-1 and the Limetree as it would not initialise. We used my QED Performance silver S/PDIF cable and it worked first time into my LKS DAC. The sound was very good with both upsampled files and Qobuz hi-res streams. It was pretty damned good with Spotify, too. The app needs a little work to become less clunky, but everything worked reliably. It certainly has the makings of a good source unit in your system, John.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 20, 2019 23:52:21 GMT
No, it's not! It is resampling whatever you put into it to DSD.
Perhaps it's running DOP? Regardless, my LKS showed 176kHz on John's files.
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Post by John on Jul 21, 2019 6:37:54 GMT
Whatever it is its a nice increase in resolution. It gives more depth and texture than I am used to. It was interesting hearing 192KHZ files via streaming with Quobuz.
I will not be going down Quobuz. I have trailed it, I like what it does sound-wise. However, most of the music I enjoy is not available on Quobuz.
Definitely more to come with the Limetree Bridge I will have a few coax cables to try out with it as well as a better power supply. For me, it's just the Quobus app that feels chunky. Searching for music on it is slow and not intuitive. Files are very straightforward. I have not used Deezer or Tidal on it so unable to comment on how they work.
Using the Bluetooth function that opens up Spotify and YouTube is very easy, just pair up with your device and you can then play either from your device. Soundwise using Bluetooth is very much the same league as the SOtM which is a bit of a nice surprise.
At some point, Spotify will become integrated with the app
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Post by John on Jul 21, 2019 6:48:11 GMT
Excellent news John. What power does your streamer need - are you able to try it with battery for interest? Am sure the best is yet to come once you sort appropriate PSU. Its 5v so I would need to get a DC converter if using a 12v battery. I wait till Tony is ready, as the Stock SMPS is actually quite good. Lindermann say it has medical grade components "For the power supply, we use a high-quality “medical grade“ wall plug transformer which ensures particularly good isolation from line disturbances. Owing to the elaborated onboard filtering and special voltage regulators, we were able to realize an exceptionally low-noise power supply with a ripple voltage below 10 µV"
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Post by MartinT on Jul 21, 2019 9:20:24 GMT
I would agree that the stock PSU is good, based on what we heard.
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Post by Pinch on Jul 21, 2019 10:14:54 GMT
Nice result! I found the Pro-Ject responded very well to a decent power supply (the stock one wasn't great I think) - so I'm sure there'll be more you can eke out of the Limetree.
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Post by Stratmangler on Jul 21, 2019 10:22:17 GMT
Its 5v so I would need to get a DC converter if using a 12v battery. I wait till Tony is ready, as the Stock SMPS is actually quite good. Lindermann say it has medical grade components "For the power supply, we use a high-quality “medical grade“ wall plug transformer which ensures particularly good isolation from line disturbances. Owing to the elaborated onboard filtering and special voltage regulators, we were able to realize an exceptionally low-noise power supply with a ripple voltage below 10 µV" That's heartening to hear, John. SMPS PSUs are not necessarily evil, it's just that most SMPS manufacturers tend to build them to a price, and to hell with the bit in the spec sheet about RFI generation, and not polluting the mains supply with it. It looks like Lindemann have shopped around and found something that's up to spec. The reason why the LPSU couldn't power the device could down to current draw required to get the device working.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 21, 2019 10:27:06 GMT
The reason why the LPSU couldn't power the device could down to current draw required to get the device working. That's possible, Chris.
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Post by Clive on Jul 21, 2019 10:40:40 GMT
Another good reason for supercaps... current capability.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 21, 2019 11:20:59 GMT
Another good reason for supercaps... current capability. Instantaneous - yes. Constant current capability, they make no difference. I must ask Tony what my QP-1 can supply, thought it was around 3A.
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Post by Stratmangler on Jul 21, 2019 11:37:10 GMT
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