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Post by John on Sept 1, 2019 12:42:47 GMT
Yes at some point native support will happen with Spotify. I like to get rid of the WILAN and add a super clock from Tony in the future For a good period of time I had Bluetooth running well, but last week the Internet went down for a second and even after a few resets it still not quite right
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Post by Clive on Sept 1, 2019 12:48:12 GMT
Isn't the femto clock already a big part of what makes it sound so good? I'd be nervous to mess with that aspect. I'm using ethernet, I've not even linked up the wifi.
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Post by John on Sept 1, 2019 13:15:25 GMT
Yes the Femto clock is good but ask Martin how good the other super clock is as he upgraded this on the LKS so think a bit more to come from the Limetree
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Post by John on Sept 1, 2019 13:17:31 GMT
Will you be doing a review for the magazine you write for Please add link it be good to read a detailed report
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Post by John on Sept 1, 2019 13:21:01 GMT
Clive are you streaming your files from your ethernet or using the USB
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Post by Clive on Sept 1, 2019 13:45:56 GMT
I don't plan a review as the device with the dac has already been reviewed.
I've got my files on a usb connected ssd. I have tried using my pc as a NAS over ethernet but aside from the extra complexity the sound was ever so slightly not as good, which was counter to expectations. Maybe my ethernet switch and router introduced some noise.
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Post by John on Sept 1, 2019 13:57:17 GMT
If you have a spare PSU for your hub that will help. I still prefer picking up the files from the USB but it is closer.
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Post by Clive on Sept 1, 2019 14:04:29 GMT
Honestly I prefer the simplicity of the direct connection.
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Post by John on Sept 1, 2019 14:14:17 GMT
Understand but if you do choose to use any of the music streaming services you will get the rewards by playing close attention to all of this
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Post by MartinT on Sept 1, 2019 14:16:43 GMT
I found that a good clock at either end of the transport cable is what you need. At my streamer end the Allo Kali does the reclocking and at the DAC end, it's a Coherent Femtoclock. Yes, the original clock in the LKS is a femtoclock but many have found the Crystek 575 to make the LKS slightly on edge. Tony's low phase clock is way better even though the specs might have you believe they are similar.
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Post by Clive on Sept 1, 2019 14:26:04 GMT
Understand but if you do choose to use any of the music streaming services you will get the rewards by playing close attention to all of this Using the usb ssd I don't need the hub/switch do that's a plus. Maybe a better ps on the router...I will be using Spotify and Radio.
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Post by John on Sept 1, 2019 14:30:18 GMT
With Spotify my own experience is really important to pay close attention to power and ethernet cable will all help Files from the USB is a lot more straight forward
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Post by Clive on Sept 2, 2019 15:19:58 GMT
I'm finding my enjoyment or is that understanding of classical music is much enhanced with the control and resolution the Limetree Bridge brings. Instruments are so well defined and separated.
Maybe with jazz, folk and rock etc my brain is more familiar so it fills in details. My classical music experience whilst far from zero, lags behind other genres. Could it be extra resolution and definition helps me out?
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Post by MikeMusic on Sept 2, 2019 15:27:39 GMT
I'm finding extra notes that weren't there before with the latest cables on the RTZ Perhaps this is what we get at the sharp end
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 17:40:52 GMT
Had a chance to really dig into the Lime tree over the weekend (thank you John) compared some jitter analysis, looked at overall timing constants very nice piece of equipment. I feel the performance comes for the use of a hardware re-sampling and the extra PLL that comes with this route. The new scope app also allows us to interrogate the jitter from any source virtually and substitute various order PLL's and clock recovery data and introduce new loop bandwidth filter frequencies to help iron out any potential issues in virtual real time. Then introduce a TIE (time interval error) histogram to look at the modal aspects of display to give us a good grasp as if the TIE issues are deterministic (two humps on the plot lol) is generally caused by data error or system issues such as impedance mismatching and board layout problems, coding etc but not wholly down to these) or a single humped histogram plot dictates a Gaussian issue usually random noise, could be frequency the low the frequency the tenancy is more noise, as temperature noise and a little thing called shot noise(one for Jerry here!) caused by random movement of electrons and hall effects
The bottom line is its really good at finding the REAL reasons why all digital audio components behave the way they do.
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Post by Clive on Sept 2, 2019 17:46:38 GMT
They make a big thing about studio quality re-sampling. I wasn't sure whether this was a major differentiator or marketing. Seems like the former.
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Post by John on Sept 2, 2019 17:56:51 GMT
Clive I am finding I am listening to a lot more classical too. I am actually getting into a lot of contemporary artists: Philip Glass, Max Richter etc
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Post by julesd68 on Sept 2, 2019 18:00:15 GMT
I'm finding my enjoyment or is that understanding of classical music is much enhanced with the control and resolution the Limetree Bridge brings. Instruments are so well defined and separated. Maybe with jazz, folk and rock etc my brain is more familiar so it fills in details. My classical music experience whilst far from zero, lags behind other genres. Could it be extra resolution and definition helps me out? Very interesting Clive! I would imagine that complex orchestral works are more easy to follow with the extra separation of instruments and so make more sense to the ear.
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Post by Clive on Sept 2, 2019 18:15:09 GMT
I'm finding my enjoyment or is that understanding of classical music is much enhanced with the control and resolution the Limetree Bridge brings. Instruments are so well defined and separated. Maybe with jazz, folk and rock etc my brain is more familiar so it fills in details. My classical music experience whilst far from zero, lags behind other genres. Could it be extra resolution and definition helps me out? Very interesting Clive! I would imagine that complex orchestral works are more easy to follow with the extra separation of instruments and so make more sense to the ear. Certainly more complex music is much easier to unravel. Even simpler things such as Weber Clarinet pieces played by Anthony Michaelson make so much more sense now. As I mentioned earlier, Adagio for Strings...Bernstien and Barber versions don't become foggy in the busier sections.
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Post by Clive on Sept 2, 2019 18:21:02 GMT
Clive I am finding I am listening to a lot more classical too. I am actually getting into a lot of contemporary artists: Philip Glass, Max Richter etc Interesting... I'll expand my horizons via Spoty.
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