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Post by Stratmangler on Feb 23, 2018 11:08:44 GMT
If you're considering things Tim, have you thought about using a RasPi running piCorePlayer? piCorePlayer has LMS (server & it's not the noddy version that came embedded in the Squeezebox Touch) incorporated into it, along with Squeezelite (player), and Jivelite (RasPi touch screen control) too. I use my RasPi3 purely to run LMS, and it's very quick and slick, and above all dependable. I have a Spotify Premium account, and LMS handles it extremely well, and even transcodes the Ogg 320kbps stream to 1411kbps FLAC stream on the fly. If you want to use Tidal it's not a problem, as there's an app to handle it, and it's the same with Qobuz. Deezer is in there too. LMS just gets on with the lot with no fuss. A local FLAC library isn't a problem - you simply install its location as a mount. My local FLAC library is on a NAS box, and with the mount set in place it is again very quick and slick accessing it. There's a short delay on initial access, as the NAS spins down and goes to sleep after 15mins inactivity, but once accessed there's next to no lag. At present I have no need another player, so I haven't explored this avenue. It could be some time before I get around to it, as the Squeezebox Touch players are still going strong, and if one should fail I have a spare one as backup. Using LMS couldn't be simpler - my preference is to access the server via a web browser on 192.168.0.19:9000 which is something I do 95% of the time (I have a tab on my browser for easy access). I also have an app on my Smartphone, which I use probably 4.75% of the time. There's always the touch screen to fall back on, and the IR remote too (if you can find it). The nice thing is that piCorePlayer is free, although most folk make donations to help support the project.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 23, 2018 11:10:46 GMT
I bought mine on 4th November 2017 but I can't immediately check it for the version number, Tim.
I have had no experience of it causing any stopping trouble at all. It has been completely faultless over hours and hours of running. The improvement in SQ even over the HiFiBerry Digi+ Pro is quite significant. Of course, it will depend on your DAC, too, but it's giving it the most jitter-free S/PDIF signal possible to give it a good leg up.
I've only used mine with Volumio so can't comment on Roon. Using it as a Spotify Connect player with the Volumio plug-in gives me the best Spotify SQ I have ever heard.
If you're in the Basingstoke area at all why not pop in and have a listen for yourself?
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Post by John on Feb 23, 2018 12:59:28 GMT
Runs nice on Roon I tried it initially with no issues
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 23, 2018 13:16:51 GMT
Rune, or Roon? There are two similarly named bits of software that do similar things.
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Post by Tim on Feb 23, 2018 14:12:32 GMT
. . . . have you thought about using a RasPi running piCorePlayer? Actually yes I have Chris, it also works as a Roon endpoint I believe. Seems to be quite an underground following too, which is always good if you need help. The Spotify addition perhaps gives it the edge for usability over just a Roon endpoint, didn't know it could up-sample on the fly either. What size music library do you have and does it have any sort of file limit. Also indexing, is that automatic or do you have to initiate it each time you add to the library? I have over 4,000 ripped albums and growing! Thanks for the tips, more to research methinks. Good to hear that the DigiOne is working out John/Martin - very few negative reports online, but oodles of praise. I like that Allo interact directly with their customers. The jitter numbers are impressive too, a very clean output for S/PDIF indeed. Still not sure about Roon due to cost, wouldn't want to spend $499.00 on a lifetime licence either, they could either fold or something better could pop up. It's good but so is JRiver, the Roon fancy slick interface is nice but for me a tad unnecessary and a bit too bling. I just need to see artwork, select an album and hit play. I scan artwork to .pdf, so have that on the tablet controller and if I need more, Google it. I'm heading toward a much simpler system, a single computer in my living space with Roon/Jriver + FLAC library and a single end point into a jack of all trades amplifier, turntable and speakers instead of the three boxes, multiple wires, plugs and two computers I have running at the moment, which is fuggly - and I don't even have a turntable yet! More this . . . . than . . . . set-ups like this just won't do for me, far too much going on and all the dust! André and I probably have a lot more in common that we think. Not sure when I'll be around Basingstoke again Martin, but I'll bear that in mind. I don't need convincing it sounds good though, after tinkering for quite sometime you get a feel for what is likely to work and what won't. File based audio/streaming is definitely one area where clean power and less is more O/S wise really pays off - maybe we can fuuuuse it up a bit if I pop round
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Post by Tim on Feb 23, 2018 14:13:08 GMT
Rune, or Roon? There are two similarly named bits of software that do similar things. Roon
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Post by MartinT on Feb 23, 2018 14:22:24 GMT
That mountain is going to cost you a bit to build.
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Post by Tim on Feb 23, 2018 14:31:55 GMT
Especially in Suffolk! Maybe Synergistic Research can help with the tunnelling
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Post by Stratmangler on Feb 23, 2018 14:33:52 GMT
. . . . have you thought about using a RasPi running piCorePlayer? Actually yes I have Chris, it also works as a Roon endpoint I believe. Seems to be quite an underground following too, which is always good if you need help. The Spotify addition perhaps gives it the edge for usability over just a Roon endpoint, didn't know it could up-sample on the fly either. What size music library do you have and does it have any sort of file limit. Also indexing, is that automatic or do you have to initiate it each time you add to the library? I have over 4,000 ripped albums and growing! Thanks for the tips, more to research methinks My music library is quite large, at 4574 albums with 54444 songs by 1214 artists (best part of 3TB, and the figures have been copied & pasted from the web browser interface). LMS doesn't have a limit to library size, but obviously the bigger it is the longer it takes to scan. You can set LMS to scan for new material at a preset time daily. I don't use that facility myself - I usually rip the CD, navigate to it via LMS, and play it from there. Once played it's added to the library.
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Post by Tim on Feb 23, 2018 14:37:54 GMT
Brilliant, thanks Chris - database library size does seem to be an issue for some systems, but then most people don't have crazy big libraries like us nutters
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Post by John on Feb 23, 2018 17:27:03 GMT
Volumio ran as a Roon end point I was surprised to find it on my list of end points when I had Roon running It had no issues picking up on my music library on my laptop and playing it through the player
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Post by Tim on Feb 23, 2018 17:58:02 GMT
Volumio ran as a Roon end point I was surprised to find it on my list of end points when I had Roon running It had no issues picking up on my music library on my laptop and playing it through the player Thanks John - I'll possibly end up getting both, some bits I like in Roon, but it's a bit restricted compared to JRiver for my of old school style of browsing and also editing the metadata. So many choices eh? Good to know if I get a Pi/DigiOne there are lots of options for software though, but I'm still liking the SOtM for fit and forget with nothing to do. Higher sound quality supposedly, but that's something I've yet to experience first hand. Unlike you guys I wouldn't be using it primarily as a Spotify player.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 23, 2018 18:38:05 GMT
Unlike you guys I wouldn't be using it primarily as a Spotify player. Wait until you hear the sound quality and realise how much music you have at your disposal.
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Post by John on Feb 23, 2018 18:38:40 GMT
I know you like fuss free and both standard the SOtM is better But a good bit more expensive as you need to factor on a linear power supply With a few simple tweaks I prefer the DigiOne about half the price when you factor cost of power supply I got the DigiOne up to my old fanless server using Bughead which is pretty impressive You would need a 12v battery and dc converter and Ifi USB silencer to take it beyond the SOtM 200 The SOtM via battery sounds awful
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Post by John on Feb 23, 2018 18:49:34 GMT
Unlike you guys I wouldn't be using it primarily as a Spotify player. Wait until you hear the sound quality and realise how much music you have at your disposal. I was amazed by this Before getting the DigiOne I could never imagine this being my main source
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Post by Tim on Feb 23, 2018 19:07:16 GMT
Wait until you hear the sound quality and realise how much music you have at your disposal. Haha, I've already got more than I need to be honest, my best mate is buying music like it's going out of fashion - I can't keep up with what I have let alone checking out what he buys! I like Spotify (a lot) but it won't replace my FLAC library. It's a worthy addition, as a turntable will be, but my library will receive the most attention. I still enjoy buying music and Spotify is mostly discovery for me.
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Post by Tim on Feb 23, 2018 19:09:47 GMT
I know you like fuss free and both standard the SOtM is better But a good bit more expensive as you need to factor on a linear power supply I see me probably having both John, SOtM as an end point for JRiver (or Roon) and the Pi/DigiOne for Spotify I can hide them both away too, just need an app to control.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 23, 2018 20:01:18 GMT
I like Spotify (a lot) but it won't replace my FLAC library. Ditto for me and CDs.
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Post by canetoad on Feb 24, 2018 0:25:06 GMT
If you're considering things Tim, have you thought about using a RasPi running piCorePlayer? piCorePlayer has LMS (server & it's not the noddy version that came embedded in the Squeezebox Touch) incorporated into it, along with Squeezelite (player), and Jivelite (RasPi touch screen control) too. I use my RasPi3 purely to run LMS, and it's very quick and slick, and above all dependable. I have a Spotify Premium account, and LMS handles it extremely well, and even transcodes the Ogg 320kbps stream to 1411kbps FLAC stream on the fly. If you want to use Tidal it's not a problem, as there's an app to handle it, and it's the same with Qobuz. Deezer is in there too. LMS just gets on with the lot with no fuss. A local FLAC library isn't a problem - you simply install its location as a mount. My local FLAC library is on a NAS box, and with the mount set in place it is again very quick and slick accessing it. There's a short delay on initial access, as the NAS spins down and goes to sleep after 15mins inactivity, but once accessed there's next to no lag. At present I have no need another player, so I haven't explored this avenue. It could be some time before I get around to it, as the Squeezebox Touch players are still going strong, and if one should fail I have a spare one as backup. Using LMS couldn't be simpler - my preference is to access the server via a web browser on 192.168.0.19:9000 which is something I do 95% of the time (I have a tab on my browser for easy access). I also have an app on my Smartphone, which I use probably 4.75% of the time. There's always the touch screen to fall back on, and the IR remote too (if you can find it). The nice thing is that piCorePlayer is free, although most folk make donations to help support the project. Hi Strat, I have LMS installed and running on my NAS. I still use it for the Touch I have that my wife uses. My RPi runs Volumio at the moment. Will PiCorePlayer allow me to use the LMS on the NAS or would I have to install it on the Pi with PiCorePlayer?
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Post by Stratmangler on Feb 24, 2018 1:07:17 GMT
Hi Strat, I have LMS installed and running on my NAS. I still use it for the Touch I have that my wife uses. My RPi runs Volumio at the moment. Will PiCorePlayer allow me to use the LMS on the NAS or would I have to install it on the Pi with PiCorePlayer? Hi Bernie I take it you're just looking to use the Raspi as a rendering device. If you install piCorePlayer then the Squeezelite player can run with your existing installation. You don't have to use the LMS in piCorePlayer - just turn it off.
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