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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 9, 2014 11:11:09 GMT
Thanks Is that the Mondeo floorpan jobbie ? Estate available too which is on the list of needs Auto might also have to be on the list too She'll love AWD The Freelander 2 also uses the same floorplan. That's surpise Makes sense to save dough, probably many £tens of thousands, maybe more |
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Nov 9, 2014 13:54:21 GMT
Most car platforms are shared. Not sure why the X Type got the Mondeo label. Only about 15% of the car is Ford parts. Then you get, "Yeah, but it's only got a Ford engine in it".
Well, yes, the engine is owned by Ford, but was originally designed by Mazda/Isuzu, and then was extensively reworked by Porsche, so it would be equally accurate to call it a Porsche engine. In any case, only the block is used in the Jag. The heads are all Jaguar design, they added variable valve timing for more power.
You don't get people calling the Evoque a Tata for example, strange that, because that's what it is!
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Post by MartinT on Nov 9, 2014 14:29:04 GMT
I'd call the Evoque tat (see what I did there). Thoroughly ugly WAG car.
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Nov 9, 2014 15:37:39 GMT
Quite like it myself. :-)
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Post by canetoad on Nov 9, 2014 23:03:39 GMT
Oh Ali, You're showing your true tendency towards being a HAB (husbands and boyfriends)! 
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Nov 10, 2014 8:03:36 GMT
LOL, yeah that's me, just a slut..
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 10, 2014 9:37:27 GMT
Most car platforms are shared. Not sure why the X Type got the Mondeo label. Only about 15% of the car is Ford parts. Then you get, "Yeah, but it's only got a Ford engine in it". Well, yes, the engine is owned by Ford, but was originally designed by Mazda/Isuzu, and then was extensively reworked by Porsche, so it would be equally accurate to call it a Porsche engine. In any case, only the block is used in the Jag. The heads are all Jaguar design, they added variable valve timing for more power. You don't get people calling the Evoque a Tata for example, strange that, because that's what it is! I only knew of the chassis being shared. Not surprising there were other Ford parts No bad thing to me The Jag sounds very international A classic are the later 9-3 and 9-5 Saabs, based on a Vectra, then totally Saab'd ! GM allegedly gave up trying to make Saab toe the line and make them cheaper  |
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Nov 10, 2014 10:00:49 GMT
Aye, always liked Saab.
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Post by pre65 on Nov 10, 2014 10:12:37 GMT
And me, I had 5 in total from memory. Best one was a 900 turbo 3 door (classic) in two tone black & silver. |
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Nov 10, 2014 10:50:20 GMT
Ah yes, great car, went like a rocket.
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Post by pinkie on Nov 10, 2014 13:07:31 GMT
Cmon. For real guys. Just how often do you get to test your cadence braking against the abs? You can't turn it off and do 20 a:b's. Either way - it's no substitute for good rubber. There's a bad spot on my daily commute into work in the mornings, that I get to at about 05:40. Of a cold winter's morning, a long stretch of it can go to black ice. More than once I have felt all grip go - you know the feeling, steering goes light and no directional control. I have braked and felt the ABS go stupid, but I have then backed off, reapplied and repeated and managed to slow down enough to regain control. It's not exactly pumping, that's too crude. But you can feel through the pedal, despite ABS, what is going on at the wheels. You have to make allowances for my upbringing. Mum and Dad met in the research labs for Boroughs Welcome - now part of Smithkline Beecham - so I am brought up on double-blind placebo trials. Its like saying "every year I get a stinking cold, but I eat 3 marmite sandwiches a day and my cold clears up within a week". Maybe your cold would have cleared up if you hadn't eaten the marmite sandwiches I'm not saying you're definitely wrong. But to be sure, you need a skid pan, where you carry out 20 emergency brakings under identical conditions, same speed, same brake point. 10 times you just hit the brake as hard as you can and let the ABS do its stuff. 10 times you lift your foot, cadence, whatever. Then you compare the average braking distances for the 2 methods. If the car stops shorter with cadence, then it beats ABS. But all ABS is doing is "lifting your foot" very rapidly. The tyre doesn't know whether its an ABS device or a driver decision releasing braking force. At the end of our lane is a treacherous 10 yards at about 1 in 4 (with a grit bin next to it which nobody ever gets to using before I arrive at the junction - and yup, I don't use it either). It is the end of our minor country lane (with passing places) connecting to the main road, and its seriously scary. Countless times I edge gingerly towards that, start the slide to the main road, listen to the chattering desperate ABS, and always pull up just short of the main road. So we can both have our "subjective" views, but an objective statement needs a 20 stop skid-pan test.  I realise objectivism isn't popular round here. I generally feel like a Daniel in a den of lions. But on a road safety issue, subjective isn't good enough. The following page considers that in wet conditions an experienced race driver probably can't brake better than ABS (= probably will brake worse) www.drivingfast.net/car-control/braking.htm  |
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Post by pre65 on Nov 10, 2014 13:28:58 GMT
ABS works on individual wheels, cadence braking works on all four wheels at once.
So, in the main, ABS should be better.
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Nov 10, 2014 15:25:57 GMT
There's a bad spot on my daily commute into work in the mornings, that I get to at about 05:40. Of a cold winter's morning, a long stretch of it can go to black ice. More than once I have felt all grip go - you know the feeling, steering goes light and no directional control. I have braked and felt the ABS go stupid, but I have then backed off, reapplied and repeated and managed to slow down enough to regain control. It's not exactly pumping, that's too crude. But you can feel through the pedal, despite ABS, what is going on at the wheels. You have to make allowances for my upbringing. Mum and Dad met in the research labs for Boroughs Welcome - now part of Smithkline Beecham - so I am brought up on double-blind placebo trials. Its like saying "every year I get a stinking cold, but I eat 3 marmite sandwiches a day and my cold clears up within a week". Maybe your cold would have cleared up if you hadn't eaten the marmite sandwiches I'm not saying you're definitely wrong. But to be sure, you need a skid pan, where you carry out 20 emergency brakings under identical conditions, same speed, same brake point. 10 times you just hit the brake as hard as you can and let the ABS do its stuff. 10 times you lift your foot, cadence, whatever. Then you compare the average braking distances for the 2 methods. If the car stops shorter with cadence, then it beats ABS. But all ABS is doing is "lifting your foot" very rapidly. The tyre doesn't know whether its an ABS device or a driver decision releasing braking force. At the end of our lane is a treacherous 10 yards at about 1 in 4 (with a grit bin next to it which nobody ever gets to using before I arrive at the junction - and yup, I don't use it either). It is the end of our minor country lane (with passing places) connecting to the main road, and its seriously scary. Countless times I edge gingerly towards that, start the slide to the main road, listen to the chattering desperate ABS, and always pull up just short of the main road. So we can both have our "subjective" views, but an objective statement needs a 20 stop skid-pan test. I realise objectivism isn't popular round here. I generally feel like a Daniel in a den of lions. But on a road safety issue, subjective isn't good enough. The following page considers that in wet conditions an experienced race driver probably can't brake better than ABS (= probably will brake worse) www.drivingfast.net/car-control/braking.htm Sorry, but I'm a subjectivist braker. :-) |
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Post by MartinT on Nov 10, 2014 17:33:01 GMT
So, in the main, ABS should be better. It IS better, no-one is disagreeing. Except in ice, which is a special circumstance where ABS can be fooled into believing there is no forward motion if all four wheels are locked, and therefore not kick in. In that, and only that, case you will get better traction by backing off the brakes and allowing the wheels to rotate again. |
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Post by shane on Nov 11, 2014 11:11:30 GMT
I was always told that ABS was at a disadvantage on snow since what little stopping power there is is provided by a wedge of snow building up in front of a locked wheel, which of course won't happen if ABS keeps the wheel rotating.
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Nov 11, 2014 11:37:28 GMT
I've found that to be the case in the past, but there are so many variables, you just have to suck it and see in each situation. Certainly I have found cadence braking to be more effective on occasion, over and above the abs. I have also found it useful on cars that didn't have abs.
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Nov 11, 2014 11:38:02 GMT
In winter conditions I mean.
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Post by MartinT on Nov 11, 2014 11:41:03 GMT
I'm getting my Autosocks at the ready, really good in thick snow. |
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Nov 11, 2014 15:36:35 GMT
Bit cold to be driving in your socks Martin!
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 11, 2014 16:02:11 GMT
Not if you have Hobbit feet |
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