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Post by Dave on Nov 2, 2014 12:46:13 GMT
Martin, is a Microsoft account compulsory with Win8 & 10?
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Post by Paul Barker on Nov 2, 2014 12:48:31 GMT
you can't dismiss the boot up conundrum that easily.
Boot up should be judged by when all background tasks are complete.
that isn't to say W10 may not be faster by a measure of lightspead than w7. It just means don't dismiss in a breath the criticism of what boot up is judged by.
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Post by Dave on Nov 2, 2014 12:50:48 GMT
you can't dismiss the boot up conundrum that easily. Boot up should be judged by when all background tasks are complete. that isn't to say W10 may not be faster by a measure of lightspead than w7. It just means don't dismiss in a breath the criticism of what boot up is judged by. Boot up on our new i7 lappy with SSD occurs in around 12 secs with Win7 installed, it also shuts down in around 5 seconds flat. It's marvellous  |
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Post by Paul Barker on Nov 2, 2014 13:00:21 GMT
I have an all SSD also, and w7 is fast enough on it.
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Post by Dave on Nov 2, 2014 13:06:15 GMT
I have an all SSD also, and w7 is fast enough on it. SSD's are definitely the way to go, although it is likely I will need to upgrade ours at some point as it is a measly 128gb item. |
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Post by MartinT on Nov 2, 2014 13:12:04 GMT
Martin, is a Microsoft account compulsory with Win8 & 10? No, you can get away without one, or use a domain login account in the case of corporates. I'm not clear on why you would want to, though, even if you don't want to use their e-mail etc., on account of the backup and settings retention features, find-my-device (in the case of phone or tablet), password recovery and other features. |
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Post by Tim on Nov 2, 2014 13:35:52 GMT
I would say that Claire Danes is a very good actress. Have to agree to disagree there Martin, I can't watch her, she drives me nuts whatever character she is trying to portray. The series has dragged on IMO, Brody should have hit the trigger at the end of series one, it would have been great and we could have moved on to something else. Typical US series though, that has now been done to death like The Killing - they did that really well, but dragged it on too long. BB however is in a league of it's own. I am looking forward to seeing it a third time and yet I can't watch Homeland once! I'm liking the trial W10, it's what W8 should have been, but we have been here before haven't we as 7 was what Vista should have been. Still, they have it right again and XP users should be able to comfortably switch over as should 7 users. Very stable so far and not one glitch I'm aware of. |
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Post by Dave on Nov 2, 2014 20:58:21 GMT
In the early days Vista was an absolute nightmare and I hated it with a passion. These days however Vista appears to be more stable than Win7 (it is in this house anyway), which is weird as 7 used to be as solid as a rock.
Martin, if I sign up for an MS account then I am committed to the cloud and seriously dude, I do not want that despite its various advantages. Generally I have control over my personal data when it is stored here in my home, storing it away from home on a cloud server potentially adds an additional layer of insecurity I am not willing to tolerate. The outfits which control these servers are forever telling us our data is safe and yet nearly every week one reads about breaches in these systems. There's a cyberwar going on and these systems are not immune.
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Post by Paul Barker on Nov 2, 2014 21:23:00 GMT
I have upgraded to 10.
Yes it is faster than Windows 7.
The upgrade takes quite a long time a matter of hours not minutes.
But at least unlike the old days it just gets on with it all by itself.
The boot up on my machine isn't in seconds but in tens of seconds. Hardly notice the difference from 7 and has the extra obstacles of the screen I am not interested in both when starting and when wanting to finish.
But the good thing is that it is faster running once in the operating environment.
I am overall glad that I went for it and likelihood is when they ask for payment to make it permanent I shall pay for it. Usually they make a good offer.
I did do the trial of Windows 8 and what a relief it was to go back to Windows 7 when it was all over. Absolutely hated 8. but the problems of a screen I don't want are far fewer in 10. the pointless apps screen is gladly in check, less impolite.
Sure if I had a touchscreen tablet the app screen may have a purpose. No point in it for me.
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Post by Paul Barker on Nov 2, 2014 21:38:27 GMT
Oh yes as an operating system it is considerably faster than 7. Office is a lot quicker in 10 than it was in 7.
I recommend this.
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Post by MartinT on Nov 2, 2014 22:53:42 GMT
Martin, if I sign up for an MS account then I am committed to the cloud You're not, really. You're just using MS to store your account details and settings, making it easier to configure new systems. You don't have to use OneDrive if you don't want to.
Apple force you to sign up for an account and I'm pretty sure that you need a Google account to make Android work. I think you're being paranoid, personally. Give it another 10 years and you'll be hopelessly behind if you don't embrace it. It's the way things are going. I use a 10TB cloud account to backup all our systems at work and I feel a lot more comfortable knowing that I could restore our servers to bare metal if I needed to.
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Post by Paul Barker on Nov 3, 2014 19:48:35 GMT
Having a few minor issues. Google doesn't seem to work very well in it. Microsoft have always made plenty of effort to sideline Google. google will adapt to 10 quite soon I feel sure.
IE has no issues with 10, unsurprisingly.
Firefox seems OK with it.
Earlier the whole operating system was running real slow but I saw that it was "updating APPS" in the background. Fairly odd behaviour since I never asked for any APPS. But I suppose APPS are here to stay.
AFAIK tell APPS are for brain dead people who can't think how to use the internet using their own minds.
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Post by pre65 on Nov 3, 2014 21:04:29 GMT
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Post by MartinT on Nov 3, 2014 22:28:37 GMT
Not all apps are bad; the built-in Mail, Calendar and People are actually very good. In fact, I hardly bother firing up Outlook on my tablet as they do what I need when I'm out and about. There's also Spotlite (Spotify) and Zinio, both very good.
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Post by Paul Barker on Nov 4, 2014 18:52:40 GMT
Thanks
I don't use outlook either.
I don't use Spotify.
I don't know whether I need Zinio because I haven't googled what it is yet.
I use the callender in my iPhone for all my appointments. Simples. While on my way to them I say to Siri "take me to ...." while maps is getting me there I tell Siri to "call xyz mobile" and I am able to announce my imminent arrival. All done without the need to carry a Windows 10 machine.
Apps have their place and computers have another place. In my life.
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Post by Paul Barker on Nov 4, 2014 18:54:07 GMT
You may say that I am a luddite but for fek sake I still use valves vinyl and garradrd 301, did you think I would have a computer which is crippled without apps?
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Post by Tim on Nov 5, 2014 14:26:43 GMT
AFAIK tell APPS are for brain dead people who can't think how to use the internet using their own minds. I must be brain dead too then, as well as a numpty Spotify listener that can't concentrate on my music. Boot up should be judged by when all background tasks are complete. That would be when you turn your computer off then, if you run a modern O/S. Pearls of wisdom . . . |
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Post by Paul Barker on Nov 5, 2014 22:08:06 GMT
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Post by MartinT on Nov 5, 2014 22:22:15 GMT
With Windows 10, the different between an application (prev: Windows 7 compatible) and an app (prev: full-screen W8/tablet/phone) is moot. You can resize the Windows Mail app, for instance, and it looks and behaves just like any other application.
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Post by Dave on Nov 7, 2014 12:48:14 GMT
Martin, if I sign up for an MS account then I am committed to the cloud You're not, really. You're just using MS to store your account details and settings, making it easier to configure new systems. You don't have to use OneDrive if you don't want to.
Apple force you to sign up for an account and I'm pretty sure that you need a Google account to make Android work. I think you're being paranoid, personally. Give it another 10 years and you'll be hopelessly behind if you don't embrace it. It's the way things are going. I use a 10TB cloud account to backup all our systems at work and I feel a lot more comfortable knowing that I could restore our servers to bare metal if I needed to.
That's okay by me Martin, I intend to be totally off-grid by then, or dead. Same difference I suppose...  I am certainly not a Geshel, I'll see you down The Way. |
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I am certainly not a Geshel, I'll see you down The Way.