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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 8:00:21 GMT
No, not at all. How do the requirements for client machine stability and performance change between 350 and 5,000? When I covered all of Europe in a previous role those requirements were remarkably similar. Apologies, I thought it was obvious that the decision about whether to change to the latest version of Windows involves more than just which is the technically slicker operating system. Large multinationals running 10,000+ machines in 50+ locations around the World invest huge amounts in upgrades and are very reluctant to keep changing every 3 years. As a result, they will use an OS for several years until support ends or there is a very compelling case to switch. They skip versions and tend not to be early adopters, because being early adopters brings significant risks and costs which offset the potential gains from the latest technology. |
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Post by MartinT on Mar 17, 2017 8:54:45 GMT
Yes, I'm well aware of the decision making processes and latency. Nevertheless, I was horrified when two friends who work for a large partnership told me they still used XP until early this year. There is simply NO EXCUSE for such poor planning and execution.
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Post by speedysteve on Mar 31, 2017 9:08:42 GMT
Another nail in the coffin for us.
Facebook just pulled support for Messenger on all 8.1 devices.
Just got notification on Marie's phone saying update the app.
You can try but it won't as you can only do that on W10. Very poor support and comms.
Now you can argue that it's a minor app. Well not to Marie and her friends and family it's not.
She uses it a lot on her kindle and its integrated into Facebook. Phone use when out and about.
I also use it.
No notification for me! It still syncs and connects but won't send anything.
Now I read that 1.6% of UK phone users are on windows. 76% of those on 8.1.
So chicken fed numbers nobody cares about.
I wonder what will stop working next?
So we are off to the Whats app for now until new phone time.
It's not integrated though and I read Facebook bought Whats
App too, so little confidence there.
Plus it works perfectly on my W phone but won't pull in the contacts on Marie's phone at all no matter what I try?
I was there and heard the rhetoric of our Nokia bosses trying to convince us Windows was the way to go.. Oh how they are wise after the event..
It's not been good for Nokia or MS has it!
Shame though cos' as a device it's great. Just another nail though..
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Post by MartinT on Mar 31, 2017 9:35:04 GMT
Ruth has the same on her Samsung ATIV S, which is otherwise a great Windows 8.1 phone. Surely most of the Lumias can be upgraded to W10 Mobile now? No such problems with my Lumia 950, FB, Messenger and WhatsApp work just fine.
Just wait until the Surface Phone arrives. Then we'll see some traction.
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Post by speedysteve on Apr 1, 2017 6:39:21 GMT
Well, you got me thinking.. A bit of research and I signed up to the insider program to get an early but most stable of three options, W10 version.
All installed and working okay.
So that has placated me somewhat.
Messenger works again and Whats app is still there and working.
Got Marie's phone to do now..
Is Maps as good a Here drive was?
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Post by John on Apr 1, 2017 6:51:49 GMT
I had no issues using maps
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Post by MartinT on Apr 1, 2017 9:17:31 GMT
Yes, Maps works well as both a 'where am I' and sat-nav doobrie, especially if you download the UK maps as it won't use any data while you're on it.
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Post by speedysteve on Apr 1, 2017 9:35:43 GMT
Yes, getting to like it. It's pretty much Here drive with a few add-ons and tweaks. Microsoft really only wanted the Nokia HW and Nav. Installed it on Marie's phone too. Went more quickly than mine. Less data to migrate. Messenger works so she is happy. I still can't get the Whatsapp to pull in her contacts! Most strange. W10 in general is okay. Not seen the same improvement on phone as on PC, but early days yet. Had a few apps close on me but after years of flashing and QA'ing very early SW and HW dev protos I'm used to that  |
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Post by MartinT on Apr 1, 2017 10:08:46 GMT
Glad the upgrades worked. If only the Samsung would get it as it's a lovely phone with outstandingly good battery life, something Ruth likes. Then again, she doesn't really care about the apps. Strictly e-mail and browsing for her.
I love the way the ecosystem works, especially OneDrive and OneNote, which I use a lot.
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Post by Slinger on Apr 1, 2017 11:35:30 GMT
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Post by MartinT on Apr 1, 2017 11:57:50 GMT
Yes it does, there are a few features I was reading about that I fancy. Edge gets a lot of enhancements and the extensions are now official. Microsoft Wallet is ready for the big time, too. Windows Update has a major change to download only the updates required, meaning that the huge roll-up updates of the past will no longer happen. There's Night Light, more Apps and a further improved Continuum, which I use quite a lot with the TV in the kitchen now.
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Post by speedysteve on Apr 1, 2017 19:55:59 GMT
Continuum sounds good. Does it have that tasty police woman from the future in bullet proof shield cat suit? |
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Post by The Brookmeister on Apr 1, 2017 20:01:27 GMT
Yes, I'm well aware of the decision making processes and latency. Nevertheless, I was horrified when two friends who work for a large partnership told me they still used XP until early this year. There is simply NO EXCUSE for such poor planning and execution. I have to chuckle to myself Martin and your continuing support for windows, XP is good, I use 7 myself and would only use 10 if forced to as its shit. Windows is like a solicitor, a necessary evil. |
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Post by MartinT on Apr 1, 2017 22:30:58 GMT
Continuum sounds good. Does it have that tasty police woman from the future in bullet proof shield cat suit? If only... |
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Post by MartinT on Apr 1, 2017 22:33:20 GMT
Sorry David, but you just look a fool making a statement like that. It's not subject to opinion. XP is chock full of security holes and no longer fit for purpose. |
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Post by Clive on Apr 2, 2017 5:34:04 GMT
I suppose XP vs W10 is like running an old banger of a car vs a new one. The old banger will bite you in the bum one day. The new one will mostly work very well and adhere to thr latest standards. With W10 you needn't be paying extra for its newness if you upgraded for free and have reasonably modern hardware.
Fun can be had driving a Morris Ital....it's not as if XP is like an E-Type or even an MGB.
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Post by MartinT on Apr 2, 2017 6:32:21 GMT
The moment you connect XP to the internet, you are putting your security in danger. Using it in a custom stand-alone application is fine, of course, if that's all it's doing. Remember how old XP is (2001) and how much more sophisticated malware and penetration techniques have become since then.
As you say, with all the free upgrades Microsoft have offered since, to have just kept with XP makes no sense whatsoever.
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Post by John on Apr 2, 2017 6:56:14 GMT
For those of you using Winows 7 you have another 3 years safe use as no security updates after Jan 2020
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Post by zippy on Apr 2, 2017 7:43:13 GMT
It never ceases to amaze me the number of shops and offices I go in who are still on XP..
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Post by speedysteve on Apr 2, 2017 7:56:20 GMT
I can't understand the lack of wanting to update / upgrade. Yes there's being as secure as possible. But also it's like xmas every time. Clean slate, move on, start afresh. I suppose being a computer science grad and having worked in computing (telecoms) all my life makes me a bit different to most |
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