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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 13, 2015 14:36:50 GMT
My first problem and serious
AVG was on the PC and I allowed it to update and then restart
Big mistake. The PC is now unusable.
Best I can get is it constantly restarting
It has reinstalled W10 already
What clues please ?
Google not giving me any
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Post by MartinT on Aug 13, 2015 17:13:24 GMT
Don't use crap third party AV with W10. Try starting in safe mode and uninstalling AVG. Use restart with Shift held down or by continually pressing F8.
Once you get rid of AVG, Defender should reinstate itself.
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Post by Clive on Aug 13, 2015 17:45:49 GMT
Don't use crap third party AV with W10. Try starting in safe mode and uninstalling AVG. Use restart with Shift held down or by continually pressing F8. Once you get rid of AVG, Defender should reinstate itself. I agree, I use Defender nowadays and have no problems. I've upgraded 4 laptops so far, pretty much straightforward. I find W10 sounds a little better...more direct than W8.1. This is using the challenging to use but great sounding Bug Head Infinity Blade SQ. |
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Post by John on Aug 13, 2015 17:50:24 GMT
Yes have the same experience Clive
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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 14, 2015 10:27:55 GMT
I took this PC over and played 'safe' with AVG that was on there.
I should have taken it off and will try and get to Safe Mode if I can stop it rebooting
As is the way of me and PCs I have a lot (more than usual due to upgrades) and most are misbehaving
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Post by Slinger on Aug 14, 2015 11:22:59 GMT
Don't use crap third party AV with W10. Try starting in safe mode and uninstalling AVG. Use restart with Shift held down or by continually pressing F8. Once you get rid of AVG, Defender should reinstate itself. I think calling AVG a "crap third party AV" is a trifle harsh. I've used it for many years (including on this machine which I upgraded to W10) and it's never given me a moment's trouble. Getting me to trust Microsoft's own antivirus software will always be a major undertaking. The phrase "Microsoft Security" is an oxymoron as far as I'm concerned, and all the time my crap third party solution outscores Defender in any comparative test data I can find on t'internet I'll stick with it.  |
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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 14, 2015 12:06:47 GMT
I used to use AVG and found it good.
Went off it a couple of years ago as we started getting problems
I am also slightly nervous of MS security but happy to use it at the moment
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Post by MartinT on Aug 14, 2015 13:40:59 GMT
I think calling AVG a "crap third party AV" is a trifle harsh. I've used it for many years (including on this machine which I upgraded to W10) and it's never given me a moment's trouble. Getting me to trust Microsoft's own antivirus software will always be a major undertaking. The phrase "Microsoft Security" is an oxymoron as far as I'm concerned, and all the time my crap third party solution outscores Defender in any comparative test data I can find on t'internet I'll stick with it. In retrospect, it was a little harsh.
I used to buy AVG for several years for work and, in the early years, it was lightweight, reliable and didn't slug the machines. More lately, it became bloatware (rather like Norton) and was expensive so I stopped using it and started installing Microsoft System Center Endpoint Protection (the corporate version of MSE/Defender). I have to say that in all our testing SCEP was the most effective and even now can and often does beat AVG and Sophos for finding malware. I suspect the comparative review magazines just don't receive as much kick-back from Microsoft because I simply cannot explain their findings and neither can any of the VARs specialising in SCCM and SCEP. More tellingly, many very large corporates including big banks use SCEP as standard.
However, my response was in the context of small business use of Windows 10. Ditch your third party solution and use the built-in Defender, is my advice. And under no circumstances use Norton or McAfee during an upgrade!
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Post by MartinT on Aug 14, 2015 17:07:33 GMT
Windows 10 Mass Installations Going Well
I though it might be of interest to relate how we're getting on with
migrating to Windows 10 at work. We've completed about 30 machines in the
last two days, with another batch being done overnight.
Our basic process is to ensure that each machine has an up to date BIOS
and 4GB RAM. We are replacing the hard disks in all but the tablets with
Samsung 850 Evo SSDs.
For the installations themselves, most are being done using Microsoft
Deployment Toolkit (MDT 2013 Update 1), which is an automation process
whereby we boot the machine from a USB drive which then contacts the MDT
server and blasts W10 64-bit, Office 2013, Photoshop, Smart Notes, Adobe
Reader and a few other applications, together with all the Windows Updates
and drivers. It ends up with Windows and Office activated and joined to
the domain ready to login as the user and setup BitLocker.
None have failed the process although a couple have given problems with
getting the wi-fi drivers working. This almost always requires the driver
to be uninstalled while deleting the files, then manually installed again.
Some issues are to do with booting from a USB drive (the Dell Venue 11
tablets are absolute bastards) while updating the BIOS on older machines
can require a boot CD or even DOS boot USB drive.
For fun, I installed W10 on the oldest machine still in service, a Lenovo
N200. We bought them in 2007. It works perfectly, using a motley
collection of Vista 64-bit drivers! The funny part is that the WinPhlash
BIOS upgrader would only work on a 32-bit OS and it already had 64-bit W7
installed. So I quickly blasted W10-32 on it, which only took 40 minutes,
updated the BIOS and then re-blasted it with W10-64. The things we do in
IT for amusement!
Nearly all the machines are Lenovo laptops and desktops. All the tablets
are Dell except my Microsoft Surface 3, which I did today by upgrading it
from our volume licence download.
My overwhelming impression is that each machine performs better than
expected and that W10 is a no-brainer. In no case would I prefer to go
back to W7 or W8.1. It seems to especially play nicely with older
equipment and gives them a decent amount more working life.
We still have about 150 machines to do (yes I know, we're tiny by some
standards) and have Christmas as our target for completion. This has been
a great start, I can't remember any previous OS migration going as
smoothly - not a single blue screen. I also expect the training
requirements to be minimal although I'm prepared for some of the questions
they will ask.
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Post by Clive on Aug 14, 2015 20:35:42 GMT
I've upgraded the 5 laptops at home. Only a couple of minor issues.
1. I had to turn off power saving on my 2010 intel proset wifi card to avoid needing to reset it after every boot.
2. The logon screen on a newish i3 HP does not have the arrow next to the password field. Using the enter key instead of the mouse completes the logon. Strange one though.
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Post by MartinT on Aug 15, 2015 8:14:02 GMT
Item 2 is indeed strange. May be worth searching for a later display driver.
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Post by Clive on Aug 15, 2015 14:16:22 GMT
Item 2 is indeed strange. May be worth searching for a later display driver. Thanks Martin, yes I tried that and somehow ended up with a driver that's a month older than the original. Maybe there are issues with the driver an they withdrew it...I expect it'll be sorted out over time. It's very trivial. I'm certainly liking W10 so far. |
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Post by Stratmangler on Aug 15, 2015 20:45:15 GMT
My current problems with Win10 stem from having someone who isn't going to make his 15th birthday if he can't back pedal out of what he set up  |
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Post by stanleyb on Aug 15, 2015 21:24:40 GMT
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Post by MartinT on Aug 15, 2015 21:53:00 GMT
My current problems with Win10 stem from having someone who isn't going to make his 15th birthday if he can't back pedal out of what he set up Do tell!  |
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Post by Stratmangler on Aug 15, 2015 22:32:06 GMT
I have calmed down a bit.
I have rolled the installation back to Win7, and son has been told not to set up anything until I give him the say so.
My language would have made a sailor blush.
Win10 is currently downloading again.
Son only set up and logged into a new email account, and set himself up as administrator as well (I have never ever set up an account for administrator, but I'm going to have to from here on - bollocks! I detest having to enter passwords to get machines to boot up).
I was having fun and games trying to get Win10 and Win7 playing together on a home network when I found out about son's ignorant footlings.
He will not be setting anything up until I give him the nod.
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Post by MartinT on Aug 15, 2015 22:43:41 GMT
I BitLocker encrypt my machines so I have two passwords to enter!
Seriously, give your family members and yourself standard permissions and only use the administrator account (the password for which you keep in a sealed envelope) when you have to, it's safer like that and you'll have fewer nasty events (and less malware) to deal with.
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Post by Clive on Aug 15, 2015 22:46:05 GMT
I believe you can avoid using a password but you won't be on the MS cloud / Store / One Drive etc which sort of defeats some of the advantages of the O/S.
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Post by MartinT on Aug 16, 2015 6:01:31 GMT
I can give you the registry settings for auto password login if you like, although I really don't recommend it.
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Post by zippy on Aug 16, 2015 10:55:20 GMT
I believe you can avoid using a password but you won't be on the MS cloud / Store / One Drive etc which sort of defeats some of the advantages of the O/S. If you mean the 'normal' log in then indeed you need only to go into user account settings and as your 'new password' leave it blank, then it won't ask for one. If you mean you've ended up with a bios password so it won't even boot into windows without asking for a password then that's different ! In my opinion it's not at all a bad thing to avoid use of the cloud and I have my Win 10 machines set up for local logon only and I don't use my Microsoft logon/password at all. |
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