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Post by Paul Barker on Mar 7, 2015 18:11:08 GMT
I'm still enjoying 10 on my pc, but for tablet I treated myself to an iPad and have to say I love it. Sorry about that.
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Post by MartinT on Mar 7, 2015 20:36:05 GMT
Each to their own  |
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Post by The Brookmeister on Mar 9, 2015 22:47:11 GMT
I regard windows 10 in the same milli-second of dismissal as the new apple watch, I can live without either and have a very happy existence.
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Post by MartinT on Mar 10, 2015 8:18:34 GMT
Much of the reason for an OS upgrade is 1) to maintain a high level of security and 2) to acquire features that become new standards, like video and audio handling.
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Post by pre65 on Mar 10, 2015 14:32:11 GMT
I sort of have the same approach to David. 
However, if Windows 10 is going to be a free "upgrade" to Windows 7 & 8 users I may well take up the offer.
I was a luddite, clinging to Windows XP 'cos it did everything I wanted, but being forced to modernise I now recognise that there are some benefits from a more modern operating system.
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Post by MartinT on Mar 10, 2015 14:40:33 GMT
clinging to Windows XP 'cos it did everything I wanted The real problem is, XP does a lot of things that you DON'T want, like allow malware through, fail to handle a lot of current communications protocols correctly. It's also generally slow as websites have become so much richer in recent years. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 10, 2015 15:03:13 GMT
Don't get your hopes up, Mike. The Command window won't run 16-bit code. You're expecting obsolete DOS software dating back to before W95 to still run on a modern OS, which is a bit of a stretch! There are virtual machines you can run for that, I think I've suggested some before. All being well I have some clever people to sort this for me ! |
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 10, 2015 15:04:12 GMT
DOSBox is worth a look Mike - it can be a bit fiddly to set up, but works nicely once that's done. I use it for playing old DOS games. Thanks Anything to keep lovely old FoxPro going |
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 10, 2015 15:05:29 GMT
Don't get your hopes up, Mike. The Command window won't run 16-bit code. You're expecting obsolete DOS software dating back to before W95 to still run on a modern OS, which is a bit of a stretch! There are virtual machines you can run for that, I think I've suggested some before. Time to learn POWERSHELL I think ! I've found it extremely useful - it does everything DOS will do, and much more Great. Another One day there will be something as good as Desqview X ! |
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Post by MartinT on Mar 21, 2015 10:11:03 GMT
The W10 Technical Preview build 10041 was released yesterday. This is starting to coalesce into something closer to a final build. Still pretty stable, more integrated again between apps and applications. More info here: Build 10041 Release Notes |
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Post by terrybooth on Mar 21, 2015 10:54:13 GMT
Latecomer to this thread and I've skipped through it, so apologies if I've missed some points.
What Windows 10 is about, at heart, is the consumerisation of the operating system and computing as a utility (like gas, water, electricity, phone, broadband...). From Microsoft's point of view, it is, in part at least, yet another attempt to get some market share in the massive market for mobile phones and tablets. Microsoft got caught out by the rise of the internet in the first place (and the licensing arrangements which fueled that), then the usable smartphone (iPhone in the first place) and the tablet (and again licensing arrangements). Windows is not the cash cow it once was, Office is doing better, but that is threatened by open standards and the fact that just about every tablet and mobile phone you can buy has a 'free' version of something that can read and edit Word, Excel and Powerpoint files at least to a basic level.
There are some sputterings of Microsoft starting to work with this new paradign - talk about 'Windows 10 as a service' and Windows 10 on a Raspberry Pi anyone?
What Windows 10 might be, in my opinion, is a nice platform for enterprises and for people who are concerned about privacy and security, but will the 'internet of things' be powered by a Windows Operating system? At the moment, I have to say that I doubt it.
[Edit] Also running Windows 10 Technical Preview at home on main PC.
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Post by MartinT on Mar 21, 2015 11:57:34 GMT
Don't forget the many millions of corporate Windows workstations out there. I have 160 in my small organisation alone. They will all be running Windows 10 in the medium timeframe. That is a hell of a lot of volume licencing revenue that the retail market hardly knows or cares about. Apple are essentially a consumer supplier, Microsoft with its Server, SQL, Exchange, Sharepoint and Lync offerings are primarily a business supplier. Very different markets.
Secondly, nothing else is Microsoft Office. My experience of Docs to Go, Pages and such is that they are utter pants when it comes to documents that are interchangeable. This is why more iPad users are starting to move over to Office 365. More revenue for Microsoft.
Finally, let's not allow Apple to always rewrite history. The first usable smartphone was not the iPhone. Windows Mobile and Blackberry were there first, many years earlier. The first iPhone was only GPRS!
Windows 10 is about the integration of platforms and stores, which is very non-trivial, and will address both the business and retail markets. Apple haven't even started with MacOS and iOS, one of which doesn't even support touch yet.
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Post by terrybooth on Mar 21, 2015 13:20:12 GMT
Apple haven't even started with MacOS and iOS, one of which doesn't even support touch yet. Actually, I have a feeling they have. I think there are some packages which are for IOS or OSX. They just contain both sets of binaries so they fill your storage with code the OS cannot execute!  Of course you're right about Blackberry and Windows mobile, but they weren't for the masses, the iPhone was and it worked in a way that suited people more. Totally agree that the enterprise market is still large and different (I'm involved in looking after about 11,500 desktops, so an licensing deal that covers all them usually has several zeros on the end) and that Microsoft has a good grip on that market. And I agree that Office (particularly in the guise of Office 365) still has legs. But Google (as in Google Apps for Work) are a big challenger there. And if we are going 'mobile first, cloud first' (a microsoft strapline) then the OS becomes less relevant. All you need is a platform that runs a browser and supports privacy. We live in interesting times. |
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Post by MartinT on Mar 21, 2015 13:32:20 GMT
That's interesting about Apple's two OS strategies. You're right about interesting times, there will be a tremendous battle for hearts and minds in the future, and Google are not to be ignored.
I agree that mobile and cloud will be the core from all of them. I already live that way, with all of my data and settings in OneDrive for home and Azure for work, and the actual device I use becoming secondary to the things I can access and do.
We certainly do live in interesting times!
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Post by MartinT on Apr 1, 2015 15:23:51 GMT
W10 Technical Preview 10049 has just come in, acting like a complete installation and taking a long, long time to install.
The big wow is the first version of Project Spartan, the new Microsoft browser. It's as fast as IE11:
Sunspider benchmarks:
Spartan: 133ms
IE 11: 132ms
Chrome: 234ms
A good start, then, and a nice clean interface although I still wish for IE 11 in full-screen 8.1 mode. I'm posting this message from Spartan and it all seems stable so far.
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 1, 2015 20:38:28 GMT
A realist speaks:
Are they going to give it away to then demand money for it in later versions, that must be updated ?
Great revenue earner for MS and we get useed to monthly payments coming in for all sorts of service.
Perhaps we've been spoilt and we ought to pay.........
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Post by MartinT on Apr 1, 2015 22:24:22 GMT
I don't even agree with not paying for software, why should it be free? You can't blame a company like Microsoft for wanting guaranteed income through revenue streams as the best way forward.
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 2, 2015 8:05:21 GMT
Software must be paid for, unless it's legally free which I can cope with !
What I'm very unkeen on is the monthly sub ala Adobe and their horribly high sub for the latest Creative Suite.
It would appear they are going to all their software sooner or later.
MS seem to be floating that with Office 365
Is this the way it will go ?
It's a great revenue stream but mad for anyone who hardly uses it
My preference would be pay as you go, as long as it is a sensible figure in relation to the monthly sub
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Post by MartinT on Apr 2, 2015 9:43:49 GMT
I think Adobe are hugely over-priced in both their outright sales prices and their software suite rentals. Microsoft seem more measured, especially I have to say with their educational pricing, which is pretty generous. For the average small business (yours for instance), Office 365 makes a great deal of sense as you will never go out of date and need to upgrade. It's continuous and priced according to number of users. The model works for storage (e.g. OneDrive, LiveDrive) and cloud management (Meraki for us), too.
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 2, 2015 12:58:25 GMT
Adobe are taking advantage of their good products and R&D from years past. THey have upset a lot of punters. I heard of a movement to share Creative Suite for free they have upset so many.
I hope MS and Adobe et al are able to take older versions without drama.
EG. A document you worked on last year has to open in today's O 365 and next years as well !
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