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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 9, 2014 8:47:44 GMT
I can ask our guys
They love us to pieces with the overseas volumes we give them
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Post by welder on Jul 9, 2014 9:37:52 GMT
Dave..... please let us know what you think of the SLIC speaker cable once you receive them... I THINK I am next after you with them..... but I'm on hols for a couple of weeks so after then would be great to get them... I've had Ultra Blacks in my system and I THINK I can remember what they were like so the SLIC will be interesting to listen to... I don't automatically think that because that SLIC interconnect is so fantastic that the speaker cable will be the same though... Hope you give your thoughts soon Dave...cheers....!!  One of the reasons people make direct comparisons, in this case it’s to do with sound but matching colour with a colour chart makes for an easy example, is because we can’t remember what a colour, or sound, was like reliably. Given that cable differences should be subtle how on earth could you decide which one was best, let alone make a comparison unless you have the two to compare? |
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Post by Tim on Jul 9, 2014 20:37:46 GMT
Given that cable differences should be subtle how on earth could you decide which one was best, let alone make a comparison unless you have the two to compare?Well you can't John is the simple answer and IMHO if you think you can, you are a tad deluded |
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Post by . on Jul 10, 2014 20:28:02 GMT
Let's see if my experience with the SLIC speaker cable matches yours Martin. That will be interesting, Frank, as I'm more than ever of the opinion that power amp / cables / speakers form a symbiotic relationship so that a cable's performance in a given system is not easily predictable except on the roughest performance scale. Cables received today and getting the system warmed up nicely. Initial impressions are a world away from yours Martin and I couldn't disagree more that I find the TQ UB and the SLIC are similar sounding in my own system. Playing some Banco De Gaia at seriously loud levels at the moment and the SLIC really has untangled the sound and presented it in a clean, separated out and vibrant sound without any compression or fatigue. The TQ Ultra Black is no mean performer by anyone's standards but the SLIC is better in every respect. Need to crystallise what those differences are over the next couple of days. |
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Post by The Brookmeister on Jul 10, 2014 21:03:14 GMT
That will be interesting, Frank, as I'm more than ever of the opinion that power amp / cables / speakers form a symbiotic relationship so that a cable's performance in a given system is not easily predictable except on the roughest performance scale. Cables received today and getting the system warmed up nicely. Initial impressions are a world away from yours Martin and I couldn't disagree more that I find the TQ UB and the SLIC are similar sounding in my own system. Playing some Banco De Gaia at seriously loud levels at the moment and the SLIC really has untangled the sound and presented it in a clean, separated out and vibrant sound without any compression or fatigue. The TQ Ultra Black is no mean performer by anyone's standards but the SLIC is better in every respect. Need to crystallise what those differences are over the next couple of days. Now where did I put those Koltz cables  |
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Post by . on Jul 10, 2014 21:19:19 GMT
Cables received today and getting the system warmed up nicely. Initial impressions are a world away from yours Martin and I couldn't disagree more that I find the TQ UB and the SLIC are similar sounding in my own system. Playing some Banco De Gaia at seriously loud levels at the moment and the SLIC really has untangled the sound and presented it in a clean, separated out and vibrant sound without any compression or fatigue. The TQ Ultra Black is no mean performer by anyone's standards but the SLIC is better in every respect. Need to crystallise what those differences are over the next couple of days. Now where did I put those Koltz cables Into a big hole in the ground hopefully. Got a pair of those Klotz cables here now and I tried to make a washing line out of them or a dog lead but no luck on either score. |
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Post by The Brookmeister on Jul 10, 2014 21:33:01 GMT
Now where did I put those Koltz cables Into a big hole in the ground hopefully. Got a pair of those Klotz cables here now and I tried to make a washing line out of them or a dog lead but no luck on either score. They make rather excellent necklaces for the daughter and wife though  |
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Post by Marco on Jul 10, 2014 22:29:21 GMT
Into a big hole in the ground hopefully. Got a pair of those Klotz cables here now and I tried to make a washing line out of them or a dog lead but no luck on either score. They make rather excellent necklaces for the daughter and wife though <Yawn> I could say the same thing about Slic! Let's just keep it polite and agree to disagree, eh? Marco. |
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 10, 2014 22:46:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 2:22:38 GMT
Its a shame Doc that you appear to be so aggressive.
It feels like some sort of self fulfilling prophecy you carry; I was actually looking forward to you being here because some of what you say is interesting.
Dave - I found work (finally) which means I'd like to talk to you about a demo please, as nice as it is to hear other peoples experiences I think I need to hear them for myself to decide. Do you make by wire jumpers for them?
Marco, I must have missed something, why the animosity, have you tried them?
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 11, 2014 3:56:45 GMT
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My point is it is the same people as it was at AoS and it will go the same way. The forum is being used.
Nothing aggressive about that, just reality. But to accuse me of aggression deflects the agenda. It is all a game with a profit motive, and £500 for an interconnect is a level of profit to justify it. |
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 11, 2014 4:03:09 GMT
Sorry you see fit to remove my posts, you are being used and you will end up regretting it.
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Post by John on Jul 11, 2014 4:04:44 GMT
Richard you can share your ideas around shilling you have your own site for naming names
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 4:06:35 GMT
Hmm, its funny with you because when I read a lot of your posts I hear them in an angry voice. I admit that's my interpretation of your tone.
I'm not trying to deflect at all.
What's your definition of a shill? If its what I think it is (praise a product for discounts) I'm afraid you're incorrect. But then I can't prove I'm not, just as much as you can't prove I am.
I have read a lot of what was said about me on your forum and it used to make me laugh. It sounded like people getting upset that I was trying new things, enjoying them and sharing my experiences - I won't and shouldn't apologise for telling it as I heard it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 4:08:22 GMT
Ah, looks like I just missed something...
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Post by MartinT on Jul 11, 2014 6:06:44 GMT
My point is it is the same people as it was at AoS and it will go the same way. The forum is being used.
Richard, these are valid user opinions and therefore not seen as shilling here. Members still have the value choice that we discussed and are free to buy or reject as they wish.
In order to have a valid opinion yourself, you need to listen to the product and tell us how you find it. Until then, you really can't make much of a comment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 6:06:50 GMT
My point is it is the same people as it was at AoS and it will go the same way. The forum is being used. Nothing aggressive about that, just reality. But to accuse me of aggression deflects the agenda. It is all a game with a profit motive, and £500 for an interconnect is a level of profit to justify it. Richard, are you not considering producing a cable called T.I.S. (The Interconnect Statement) that will be retailed at "pretty near SLIC type prices" with a base cost for the cable of £12/m. |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 11, 2014 6:26:26 GMT
In order to bring some balance to this thread, these are my findings:
Interconnects: SLIC interconnects: yes, they gave me a chunk more detail, soundstage and general transparency over the Yannis so I switched to using them. I considered them as fair value at twice the price of the Yannis.
Speaker cables: Remember that the synergy is Amp - Cable - Speakers and it is this combination that we are listening to.
MY SPEAKER CABLE HISTORY Kimber 8TC had been in my early system. Good all-rounder, wasn't too expensive Kimber Select KS-3035 was the natural upgrade, brought a good dose of high end sound. Insanely expensive Tellurium Q Ultra Black showed a big improvement in all areas: detail, soundstage, transparency, bass potency. Considerably less expensive and I made a profit! NVA LS7 was just as good as TQ UB in every way, just a slightly different presentation. Great value, but I already had the TQ UBs so no point changing Analysis Plus Big Oval Silver was almost indistinguishable from TQ UB. Quite pricy, no point in changing Eclipse Innovations SLIC gave me no more than the TQ UB, but with a presentation I didn't prefer. No change
If you see a curve here it's that I seem to have reached the limiting performance of my Amp - Cable - Speakers. As a result, my focus has moved elsewhere and I am happy that what I have is delivering 95-100% of what my equipment can achieve.
I won't listen to ridiculously expensive cables such as the Nordost Odin, for instance, because there's no point in listening to any equipment that I cannot afford. |
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Post by Marco on Jul 11, 2014 6:59:46 GMT
Marco, I must have missed something, why the animosity, have you tried them? Hi, is it Graeme (if I remember correctly)? There's no animosity from me whatsoever, but it appears others here have some towards Klotz cables, because either it doesn't suit their personal choices or best commercial interests. If Slic cables are considered by some as fantastic, then that's cool, as it's their choice, just as Klotz cables are mine. However, I don't expect to have my choices derided, completely unprovoked, and referred to by fm and Brooksy as being put "Into a big hole in the ground hopefully", or: "Got a pair of those Klotz cables here now and I tried to make a washing line out of them or a dog lead but no luck on either score", as it serves no constructive purpose and indeed only causes the animosity you've referred to. Why were those disparaging remarks considered necessary? Let's just use what we want to use and not mock each other’s choices, accept that we all have different sets of tastes and values, whether it’s with cables or anything else, and all will be fine  Btw, hope your move went well and that you're enjoying life in your new surroundings  Marco. |
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Post by AlanS on Jul 11, 2014 7:18:26 GMT
I have never understood why people need to say so much about cables. Though I have my opinions. How many times does one need to say I bought this and I like it? When I mentioned buying and NOT liking something on another forum I was branded as all sorts, challenged by the vendor, spawn of Satan. Mentioning it more than once was holiday time.
Liking, loathing and indifference should be accepted in equal measure in an ideal world and forum.
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