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Post by Clive on Feb 6, 2023 18:50:50 GMT
TBH l didn't know it was a thing! So thanks for pointing out, we'll have,ask for John view on this as well. The Sad news,l don't keep my components permanently on,so it would mean,pluging in everytime to enter sleep mode,but if it makes a audible difference,it's worth it,l guess Keep us posted.. I’m in the same situation. The really bad news after some more listening…is that I need to keep a laptop in the room for serious listening. On well recorded spacious music there’s a big lift. It’s one of those ear syringe experiences. |
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Post by stellabagpuss on Feb 6, 2023 19:07:31 GMT
That's interesting....And l'm gutted l can't try it out for a bit.
Thankfully l have another PC in the same room, so a bit of a pain,but not a nightmare.
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Post by John on Feb 7, 2023 16:51:48 GMT
Well blow me sideways I just tried the sleep mode, more insight and depth. The system is gradually adapting to the new levels of insight.
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Post by Clive on Feb 7, 2023 17:28:48 GMT
I’m finding that sleep mode delivers more depth, separation and dynamics. Some music leaps out the speakers, not by being forward but by being so full of life. It’s as if this mode allows well mastered material to give its best.
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Post by John on Feb 7, 2023 17:38:19 GMT
Good way to describe what it does
I didn't think possible to get more from the clock
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Post by stellabagpuss on Feb 7, 2023 20:00:06 GMT
Well big thank you to Clive. Obviously when John and l where kids, and Christmas was upon us, we never read the instructions, we just ripped the,wrapping off.
l wonder if Tony could offer a mod for this?
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Post by Clive on Feb 7, 2023 20:11:59 GMT
Well big thank you to Clive. Obviously when John and l where kids, and Christmas was upon us, we never read the instructions, we just ripped the,wrapping off. l wonder if Tony could offer a mod for this? Haha..well, it’s taken me since mid November to RTFM so as a newly retired IT person I’ve not done too well! |
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Post by Clive on Feb 8, 2023 20:43:01 GMT
I’ve spent more time in sleep mode today…not sleeping, I promise! This mode in my system brings so much improvement, which has been a real surprise. I can hear what were previously almost imperceptible differences between files from my server vs Qobuz. The phono stage has also achieved the same performance lift, which is a relief.
In addition to the benefits mentioned in last night’s post I’m also sensing a very natural sound, the system feels like it’s totally within its stride, rather like a torquey engine making life easy with oodles of reserves then when the music demands full throttle, it’s there instantaneously. I’m also getting subtle intonations I’ve not picked up before. Definitely happy 😀. I just wish my new amps were ready.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Feb 8, 2023 21:19:45 GMT
Your making me jealous now Clive! Can't wait, although l'm going to have to.
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Post by lucianosouza on Feb 8, 2023 23:05:03 GMT
Is really good know about the positive improvements of the sleep mode.
Congratulations for you that found, believe and share yours experiences with this amazing device.
The my will be shipped for Brazil in the next days.
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Post by John on Feb 9, 2023 5:07:58 GMT
I’ve spent more time in sleep mode today…not sleeping, I promise! This mode in my system brings so much improvement, which has been a real surprise. I can hear what were previously almost imperceptible differences between files from my server vs Qobuz. The phono stage has also achieved the same performance lift, which is a relief. In addition to the benefits mentioned in last night’s post I’m also sensing a very natural sound, the system feels like it’s totally within its stride, rather like a torquey engine making life easy with oodles of reserves then when the music demands full throttle, it’s there instantaneously. I’m also getting subtle intonations I’ve not picked up before. Definitely happy 😀. I just wish my new amps were ready. Just to echo Clive experience with sleep mode. It is a clean natural sound where everything I throw at it benefits from sleep mode. |
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Post by lucianosouza on Feb 9, 2023 10:36:08 GMT
Clive, do you uses the LB with the R26 DAC?
By the way, has anyone here tested or used the LB in any other DAC or DDC besides John's reports?
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Post by Clive on Feb 9, 2023 10:50:30 GMT
Clive, do you uses the LB with the R26 DAC? By the way, has anyone here tested or used the LB in any other DAC or DDC besides John's reports? Hi, yes I’m using the LB with the R26 DAC. BTW I found that a stage width transformation came with sleep mode. I have a digital phono stage with DSP running continuously. What I noticed last night is that the stage width with files or Qobuz feeding the DAC is much wider than when I use the phono stage. I need to understand whether the narrow sound stage (not beyond the speakers) an inherent aspect of my record deck (I don’t believe so) or does my phono stage need it’s own clock feed or does the phono stage kick out so much RF that it kills the soundstage width. I mention this last possibility as a poor streamer or laptop might end up doing the same thing to the stage width. My hunch is that it’s RF. I’d bettter get some copper tape or paint up a box… I’ll experiment but not till next week as I’m off to the frozen and ice-laden hills around Trondheim. |
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Post by stellabagpuss on Feb 9, 2023 12:23:51 GMT
Certainly worth trying to apply a bit of sheilding,personally I prefer Copper tape,but it depends on the area to be covered
The narrow stage is a hard one, and could be just a trate of Vinyl and your box.
It could also be a example that digital is capable of better results than Vinyl. And that's what your experiencing.
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Post by Clive on Feb 9, 2023 12:44:34 GMT
Certainly worth trying to apply a bit of sheilding,personally I prefer Copper tape,but it depends on the area to be covered The narrow stage is a hard one, and could be just a trate of Vinyl and your box. It could also be a example that digital is capable of better results than Vinyl. And that's what your experiencing. Agreed…it could be my vinyl rig though it used to seem better than this. I have a good analogue phono stage so substituting this will an easy next step. I’m very conscious of Tony’s RF comments, it’s very possible the Puffin Phono is full of RF given its DSP functionality and this could infecting the DAC, with the latest clock setup it’s now become obvious. That said, streaming via the R26 with the LB in sleep mode there is a VERY expansive soundstage which expands significantly outside the speakers so it’s a tough act to follow. |
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Post by John on Feb 9, 2023 14:24:12 GMT
Really hard to know if you hearing the limits of the phonostage or RF
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Post by Clive on Feb 9, 2023 14:57:38 GMT
I found some time for a quick test. I’ll try not to pollute this thread with talk of a digital phono stage but there is some relevance if RF is involved as this could also occur with other sources.
I connected a known (to me) good phono stage. The sound stage was restored. The Puffin into the R26/LB not only narrowed the sound stage, it also squished 70% of it towards the central image. This I’m sure is a new phenomenon. Maybe the external clock feed is being disrupted by RF from the Puffin. More experiments are required but I’m relieved that I’ve narrowed down the issue.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Feb 9, 2023 16:39:09 GMT
That sounds like puffin is the issue, RF doesn't normally pollute to the amount you describing.
Are u running any DSP on the puffin? Try bypassing if you can. l not saying it is the case, but often DSP can get rid of clicks etc at the expense of full audio quality, it's a bit of a trade off.
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Post by Clive on Feb 9, 2023 17:45:31 GMT
That sounds like puffin is the issue, RF doesn't normally pollute to the amount you describing. Are u running any DSP on the puffin? Try bypassing if you can. l not saying it is the case, but often DSP can get rid of clicks etc at the expense of full audio quality, it's a bit of a trade off. When I return I need to try the Puffin into the R26 without the LB…I’m sure it wasn’t like this when I used the internal clock. Pretty sure this is down to the Puffin. I can’t turn off DSP as the inverse RIAA curve is implemented via the DSP. Puffin also has its own DAC too. It’s not a big issue as I have a couple of good phono stages. There is an optical version of the Puffin, I reckon I could retro fit the TOSLINk, I’m checking with the designer for his thoughts. edit 1: I’ve heard back from the Puffin designer, he thinks it just needs a full reset of the many settings. He’s very likely right. I’ll not pollute the LB thread any further. edit 2: I can go to Trondheim relaxed…all Puffin needed was a reset. Puffin now sounds like it’s getting the full benefit of the LB in sleep mode 😀 |
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Post by stellabagpuss on Feb 9, 2023 19:09:40 GMT
Fingers crossed...let us know Clive
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