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Post by julesd68 on Oct 9, 2022 15:07:27 GMT
Oh dear, 'smooth' is just not wot I is looking for.
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Post by julesd68 on Oct 10, 2022 13:44:48 GMT
Ok maybe I'm crazy but let's go a bit off piste, well for me at least, what about the Rega Aethos??
Anyone???
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 10, 2022 13:48:58 GMT
The Belles has to be favourite for me The Pre and Monos I had were outstanding VFM
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Post by julesd68 on Oct 12, 2022 11:06:13 GMT
I'd also be interested to hear from anyone who has experience of using Class A amps!
The last time I heard one was the wonderful Musical Fidelity A1 back in the 80's. Beautiful sounding thing with vinyl, that could handily double up as a griddle ...
Anyone been using more modern designs?
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Post by petea on Oct 12, 2022 13:43:51 GMT
Both the Lector VM200 and Lab12 Suono are Class A. Both sound good to me with the Lector having the edge.
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Post by julesd68 on Oct 12, 2022 14:07:27 GMT
Thank you Pete, nowadays I'm just playing with solid state though ...
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Post by petea on Oct 12, 2022 17:14:43 GMT
Well the Lector is almost solid state, just 2 teencie-weencie valves!
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Post by Slinger on Oct 12, 2022 21:27:36 GMT
This might be interesting if you can get a dem somewhere. www.arcam.co.uk/product,hda,integrated-amplifiers,sa30.htm You'll need to c&p the link I'm afraid. Arcam has used commas in the address, the complete dickheads. It's a Class "G" and it's one of those all-singing all-dancing things, which may put you off. You can pick them up second-hand for between £1,500 and £2,000.
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Post by julesd68 on Oct 13, 2022 12:03:18 GMT
Yes the streamer / DAC / phono stage / Class G whatever that is does put me off rather ... But thank you for giving me a good laugh with your 'complete dickheads' banter ...
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Post by Slinger on Oct 13, 2022 13:23:30 GMT
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Post by MartinT on Oct 13, 2022 14:02:56 GMT
They've really tried to make it sound like something new. Dual or sliding power rails have been around for a while - I think the Japanese gave it various different names. Yes, it helps with efficiency.
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Post by ajski2fly on Oct 13, 2022 15:06:51 GMT
I'd also be interested to hear from anyone who has experience of using Class A amps! The last time I heard one was the wonderful Musical Fidelity A1 back in the 80's. Beautiful sounding thing with vinyl, that could handily double up as a griddle ... Anyone been using more modern designs? Hi Jules, Yes I run a Krell KSA-80 Class A, prior to this a an Allnic T1500 300B integrated valve amp and before that a Meridian 557 SS, and various others before that. IMHO a good SS Class A is the way to go. I should have kept the Meridian it was an exceptionally good amp, very neutral and masses of power just needed the main caps replaced to bring it back to top form. I went to the 300B as I was thought that the valve sound would fit me better, a bad mistake on my part, I struggled matching it to speakers, a pair of Tannoy Arden's sounded good with it, slightly warm sound, but the Tannoy were not wife friendly. So after I moved to Wilson Benesch Vector speakers it became very clear the Allnic had to go, as it failed to drive them well. I asked lots of people like you for their opinions and advise, a few said a Krell or similar, I came across the Krell KSA-80 and as soon as I plugged it and switched on I knew I had made the right decision it took my system to another level. The KSA series of amps I have been told are built like tanks, there is a 50, 80, 100, 150 and a 250 watt. A couple of audiophiles that know them well told me they all have a slightly different sound, but it is quite a subtle difference, Martin preferred the 50s, I think he uses one per channel, Stee prefers the 100s, but he also rather liked my 80 saying it was very, very good. Steve is and semi-retired electronics engineer and he updated the two main power caps(as big as Coke cans) and replaced some small caps on the power control, it was not that costly to do, and the amp should be good for another 20 years. Sound quality wise they are superb, very neutral with great control and detailed definition, extremely good VFM, and equivalents SS Class A new would set you back at least £15-20K. If you can get to here one I would recommend you do. You would just need a simple pre-amp, or even a passive pre would be fine. This might fit your budget Krell KSA-100 if it's too much then sometimes you see KSA-50s for around £1K.
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Post by Slinger on Oct 13, 2022 15:07:17 GMT
Arcam does seem to be the only "major" manufacturer actually running with Class G though, and 5 years is more than enough time that if there were any huge flaws people would probably just have stopped buying Arcam amps, and the journals, blogs, forums, would be all over them. Instead, Arcam are bunging out Class G at the top end of their ranges. I wish I'd got the cash to hear one with a view to purchasing.
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Post by julesd68 on Oct 13, 2022 17:39:38 GMT
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Post by ChrisB on Oct 13, 2022 17:51:04 GMT
You did say you didn't want to go vintage either, which is why I refrained from offering some suggestions.
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Post by julesd68 on Oct 13, 2022 18:01:56 GMT
Did you just use one of those vintage green highlighters Chris?? Yes you are correct Sir, there are many wonderful vintage amps I might enjoy but not so keen on taking a punt as I don't really want to get into all the hassles of having to get them serviced etc Would like to try and make the purchase as risk free as poss ...
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Post by ajski2fly on Oct 14, 2022 8:35:57 GMT
You did say you didn't want to go vintage either, which is why I refrained from offering some suggestions. Hi Jules I completely forgot about your non-vintage requirement . But that is OK, it made me remember a amplifier I had on loan from a friend whilst I was waiting for my Allnic. It was class A/B and was switchable to run in just Class A, a very fine amp it was as well, very well built and it sounded great, it is the Vincent SV-234. The existing new equivalent is www.vincent-tac.de/en/product-types/integrated-amplifiers/sv-237mkii.html but there are other models see UK vincent dealer. There is also a used Vincent SV236 for sale www.hifi-intouch.co.uk/products/4411/19/integrated-amplifiers/vincent-sv236-mk.aspx and there are several other older Vincents, including Mono blocks on Ebay. So back to the SV234, SV236 or SV237, these are very, very good amplifiers and super VFM, Vincent are not so well known in the UK, but do not let that put you off, for the money they sound amazing and are very well built. In all honesty I was amazed at just how good the Vincent SV234 was, lovely tone and lots of low end control, I very nearly cancelled the Allnic amp order and purchased it from my friend, in hindsight it would have been a much better mover, but we all learn. You can see the advert on AOS, as I sold it for my friend, theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?62165-Vincent-SV-234-Amplifier-excellent-condition , Jerry(jandl100) on here purchased it and had it for a while, he is well known for amp swapping, I think he still may be swapping. A couple of things to be aware of: Few ampfliers are true pure Class A, the amount of power needed to remain class a above around 10watts is a lot, so most are design to switch over to class b at some point. Do not let that put you off, the Vincents run in Class A up to 10wats as per their spec, and this is absolutely more than enough power to get seriously loud volumes from most speaker, they would need to be seriously inefficient for you to go beyond 10w in normal listening. Something you may want to consider is the power usage with class A amps. My 80w Krell when producing music uses 300-400w/hour, so that may be something you would want to consider, if you listen 4 hours a day, at current electricity prices you would expect around £10/week on your electricity bill, at the 50p/Kwh. But it keeps the lounge nice and warm, the Vincent was at least half that cost to run I think. You will find it very hard to find any class A amplifier that weighs in much less than 20kg, it is down to large transformer(s) and heat sinks, and casing and so on. But 20Kg with help is not too much. I sympathise with you on your back injury, I have a prolapsed disc at 4/5 vertebrae lower spine, and have to be careful myself, also after a bypass I am restricted to 15kg lift really. If you get someone to help 20kg between two os not too bad. or use a sack trolley and tie it to it and go up the stair one a a time tacking lots of rests. Unfortunately as far as I am aware there are very few new or nearly new true Class A running amplifiers manufactured, or class A/B, that will fall into your price range. However others may know of some worth considering, I hope you find this helpful one way or another.
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Post by julesd68 on Oct 14, 2022 14:19:28 GMT
Most helpful indeed Adrian, lots of interesting information to digest there, I will have a ponder! Cheers.
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Post by HD Music & Test on Oct 14, 2022 14:25:45 GMT
Arh Lad, don't forget the the whippet thrashers & toe tappers club membership scheme Linn * Naim The unoffcial Freemason's sonic weapon of choice er sorry audio system, its like that famous line from that well known mirthful film "We've got both types of music here boy country & western"
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Post by julesd68 on Oct 14, 2022 14:29:18 GMT
The unoffcial Freemason's sonic weapon of choice I can actually well believe that to be true!!
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