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Post by palace on Sept 25, 2022 11:51:41 GMT
Does anyone on this forum still use a turntable I'm a newbie on this forum a music/vinyl addict though I also have tuners,CD players, audio cassette player & HD Virgin box Caiman SEG 50 + Dorado 3. I have had to go back some way to find a reference to a Garrard 401 refurb.
I had not joined an audio forum until I retired 10 years ago when turntables were still the predominant medium, just before the days of being able to press buttons to stream from your seating position. having changed records since the early 1950's originally a wind up gramophone . the closest I get to streaming is The Virgin box & yes I Push buttons for the TV etc. Now vinyl sales are at their highest for years is this forum predominantly if not totally digital.
I love the sound & theater of a vinyl LP whether classical 1950's microgroove mono or stereo analogue recordings up to digital remixes' of Floyd ie The Wall, Wish You Were Here better than my pristine original analogue LP. The Beach Boys Pet Sounds mono remix better than the electronically reproduced stereo original analogue LP.
My Transcriptors made Michell badged Hydraulic Reference as per my avatar.
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Post by MartinT on Sept 25, 2022 12:12:48 GMT
I had a turntable up to about three years ago and loved it. Heavily modified Technics SL-1200 Mk.II (bearing, platter, modified circuit with split power supplies and regulators, feet) with Dynavector DV-507II arm, a thing of beauty, and Shelter 5000 cartridge. Doing phono duties was an Aurorasound VIDA. It had reached a pretty decent level of sound but I felt I had hit the limits of vinyl replay and decided to take a different direction. You're right about the drama of putting a record on, though. I just have to use my tablet with a flourish
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Post by ant on Sept 25, 2022 13:13:09 GMT
I use them all the time. I dont have a streamer, well I do have a couple of them but they aren't connected up. Ive got 4 decks set up at the moment and quite a few others hanging around in cupboards. Various stuff, a couple of direct drives, a load of lencos and a roksan xerxes belt drive. My wife has an automatic jvc ql-y5f which is used every day. I just prefer a tt to streaming. Dunno why, the things just fascinate me
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Post by palace on Sept 25, 2022 13:56:35 GMT
I had a turntable up to about three years ago and loved it. Heavily modified Technics SL-1200 Mk.II (bearing, platter, modified circuit with split power supplies and regulators, feet) with Dynavector DV-507II arm, a thing of beauty, and Shelter 5000 cartridge. Doing phono duties was an Aurorasound VIDA. It had reached a pretty decent level of sound but I felt I had hit the limits of vinyl replay and decided to take a different direction. You're right about the drama of putting a record on, though. I just have to use my tablet with a flourish Your system is what you want whilst I extol the virtues of vinyl I could not be dogmatic suggesting it is for everyone. In my experience there need to be symmetry between arm and cartridge when obtained suitable ancillaries like phono stage, preamp and amplifier as well as speakers. I was lucky more than 20 years ago I bought an original moving Iron Cartridgeman Musicmaker Len Gregory & I became friends he got me to test several iterations of his Isolator using several types of isolation material. When I damaged my then Syrinx 2 with mass ring. Len advised buying a Hadcock 242 silver + for which he made me a solid silver phono lead. I had a new for old insurance policy they agreed to pay as the alternatives were double the price. Initially the counterweight was a PITA the constantly drooping flexible counterweight stub caused the tracking weight to change, I rang Len & suggested George Hadcock fit a solid stub I postulated an improvement in usability & improvement in sound quality, smugly I was correct, subsequently George sent me the improved bearing housing with solid stub. I further improved the arm with a one off XTC counterweight as my Musicmaker cartridge had an Isolater fitted was 5.5mm taller, John Chong used an algorithm on his computer to calculate where the COG at the stylus tip was. then using existing parts used on other arm counterweights created one to my specific needs at only10% more than the usual Hadcock counterweight. Len & I discussed improvements to the Musimaker as I'm sure others did as well, giving rise to the Mk2 After i retired My by now Musicmaker 3 was getting tired I asked if he could do a re-tip he said he would but for £300 would do an upgrade, a no brainer. I made the 120 mile round trip to Croydon Had a cup of his to die for coffee with soy milk (he was a vegan) when I got the cartridge home his parting words resonated, "be careful of the cantilever" I saw it was Sapphire & that the new fitted Isolator was only 3-4mm thick. Assembled by my tremulous sausage fingers. The moment the stylus touched vinyl I knew it was special after 20 sides it was amazing digging more from the grove than I thought possible. I sent him an email extolling the virtues of the cartridge his reply Hello John; I thought you’d like it – you are saying (and hearing) all the right things. Now I’ll let you into a secret; you have been one of my ‘guinea pigs’ if you will, it has cost me more than it did you, but it was worth it. The cartridge you are using is indeed a new model, not yet on general release, , and I would like you to carry on evaluating it for a month or so longer, this unit the "Musicmaster" is going to replace both the Classic and Classic LE. Best wishes Leonard TCM Ltd. Vat. Reg.no. 802-4944-42 co.reg.no. 4451444 I did as he asked apparently I paid less than the cost of cantilever and stylus let alone it's fine silver coils Len had decided to call it the Musicmaster. The Musimaster was designed/evolved on a Hadcock 242 silver plus, Len only used valves on his Quad speakers, indeed had arranged for Mr croft to make my phono stage my pre & power amps are valve feeding my OTA Quads Len was using an Acoustic Solid TT my Hydraulic Reference with 9mm thick Duralumin arm board, 1" deep solid brass spacer, No longer AC motor driven it has a Maxon DC motor. The 3 feet are no longer foam filled they sit on Oak Cone's all of the 9 foam pads on the plater were replaced with carbon impregnated PTFE pads, it is also unsprung, sits on a 100 kg paving stone in a brick alcove with wooden wedges to couple to the walls. This is as close a synergie as I am ever going to have. and it still works. the last improvement of note was parallel resistance the only parameter to explore as moving irons are impervious to capacitance changes, I emailed Len. Len's reply Hello John; No, I have never been dogmatic about input requirements, I have always stated that it is a question of taste – think about it: every system has such varying intolerances of capacitance and resistance what with the wiring and impedance differentials that when I state that the basic requirement is for a 47 kHz input this is meant as a starting point a reference if you will, I have been using something less than this for a couple of decades, but you try explaining this to the guy who buys a phono-stage or pre-amplifier with a fixed value input who has no idea of matters electrical/technical and they freak out. I think most people I have known for some time usually get round to experimenting with this parameter until they find what they are most comfortable with. I am, so pleased that you are discovering even greater musical treasures than before. Enjoy the music – Leonard.
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Post by MikeMusic on Sept 25, 2022 15:23:27 GMT
Still have my Technics deck Haven't used it in months.
Dipping my toe in the water with streaming and the Bluesound
Hard logic might suggest I sell my deck and records Not sure I can, certainly at the moment
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 25, 2022 16:04:28 GMT
A couple of turntables here. A Gyrodec which I have owned since the beginning of the 90's when they were deeply unfashionable and generally thought to be only about the look. I also have a Goldring G99. They both have Zeta arms and Koetsu Black cartridges. The Gyro is fed into a pair of Bent Audio Mu transformers and then into the phono stage of an Audio Research SP8. The G99 into an LFD MC1 phono stage and then into a line input on the SP8.
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Post by speedysteve on Sept 25, 2022 16:19:27 GMT
Technics SP-10 with Fidelity Research FR64s and Spu Royal N cart, still gets an outing every so often. With the right disc and mood, it's excellent.
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Post by ant on Sept 25, 2022 17:01:57 GMT
I just have the two phono stages, a cole lcr valve phono stage and a benedict audio hothead.
The cole has 2 decks plugged into it, I modified it to have a couple of inputs as the case is huge so there was plenty of space.
My jbe series 3 with airprodigy linear arm and at33sa runs through an lda ha1 into the cole, and my type 3b lenco with the arm im developing and vm750sh runs into the other input.
Both the jvc ql-y5f I have with an empire 1000gt on it, and the xerxes with tabriz and dv20x2 run into the benedict audio.
I rescued the xerxes as it was sagging badly and had a broken psu. Its now all fixed. I also rescued the jvc y5 as it was completely broken. My wife refused to let me sell it on so its hers now. The jbe I have had for a long time, and the lenco is one of my builds.
I also recently rescued and restored a broken jvc ql-y3f that had a million problems, im debating on wether to reveneer the plinth as its a rare black german market one, even though it is abit tatty.
Ive also got in various cupboards, a technics sl150 to put my 3009 on and the arm i made to sanity check myself with it, a 301 (not mine), another lenco, and another 3b lenco that i built.
Its just silly. I keep ending up with the broken waifs and strays but its really nice to bring them back to life. Oh and an oracle delphi mk2 which was also broken and now isnt. Thats not mine though.
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Post by palace on Sept 25, 2022 17:10:47 GMT
A couple of turntables here. A Gyrodec which I have owned since the beginning of the 90's when they were deeply unfashionable and generally thought to be only about the look. I also have a Goldring G99. They both have Zeta arms and Koetsu Black cartridges. The Gyro is fed into a pair of Bent Audio Mu transformers and then into the phono stage of an Audio Research SP8. The G99 into an LFD MC1 phono stage and then into a line input on the SP8. From the croft phono stage silver phono lead to a Ming da MC7R modified by the importer Mark Mainwaring White aka Mark the Ming of Malvern Audio Research, sensitivity reduced as is the negative feedback a large increase in clarity and air. My power amp is a Rogue Atlas Magnum joined by a silver phono lead to the MC7R when the output caps looked overheated after the 4 x KT120's died. Mark replaced them with Audyn Reference capacitors & 1% Mills resistors a surprisingly big improvement. My One thing Audio Quad 57's are connected with low impedance TNT style UBYTE cross connected WF100 co-ax I made the UBYTE cable & the fine silver phono leads. I must point out over the last decade Mark and I have become friends. I was particularly impressed watching him repair/modify my things & then watching him make his own designed Audio Detail products then listen to them in his comprehensive damped large listening room.
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Post by karatestu on Sept 25, 2022 17:52:49 GMT
I have two TT's. Not used in a while but I plan to have them (or one of them) in regular service when I have finished building my music centre for the 21st century.
1) LP12 with Rubikon sub chassis (bit like a Keel), anologue innovations in sole spring replacements, naim aro tonearm, Lyra Argo cart, various power supplies ( lingo 1 , Avondale Audio Taps2)
2) Pioneer PL71 (1974 direct drive) - needs fettling ( by Ant hopefully when I get my act together)
I have no idea which of these I will prefer. I have never played a record on the Pioneer and never heard the fruitbox with new sub chassis or the AA Taps 2 psu. Exciting times for me when I finally get it sorted. I have kept buying the odd LP even though I have not been able to play them.
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Post by speedysteve on Sept 25, 2022 19:36:39 GMT
I also have Pioneer PL-71. The Lustre arm (what made the Rega 2 & 3 in Rega R200 form sound okay), is pretty good.
The USA version mat is just excellent. I use it on the sp-10. A sort of blend of hard and softer composite (no idea how they came up with it). I prefer it to all the other mats I've tried. The solid copper Cu beasts were similar in SQ, but silly money! I auditioned both weights.
Not every TT is happy spinning up ~5kg or Kenny Everett for that matter 🙂
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Post by petea on Sept 25, 2022 19:38:53 GMT
I too still play LPs quite regularly when I'm in the UK and certainly the 'ritual' plays a part in the enjoyment.
I have a late 80s LP12, but it has been modified quite extensively. It has a Tangerine Audio Karmen top plate and Phoenix sub-chassis plus a Tiger Paw cross-brace and a Linn metal base plate. It is fitted with a Linn Radikal speed controller and motor and an Origin Live belt driving the early, 'heavy' platter supported by a Cirkus bearing and a Tiger Paw Tranquility secondary bearing and a Funk Achromat
The tonearm is a Funk RX.R III, but has an under-slung counter-weight plus a Funk Houdini cartridge de-coupler and I use a Dynavector DRT XV-1t cartridge. I now use a Lab12 Melto2 phono-stage amplifier and have settled on 47 pF and 42 Ohms for the cartridge.
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Post by brettj on Sept 26, 2022 7:11:25 GMT
I have a Dual 505-2 I bought in 1981. In the current setup, I can't use it. It was running fast anyway, which I found annoying.
Plan to set the system up again at some stage. Probably buy a newer turntable. Records still in the attic.
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Post by palace on Sept 26, 2022 9:37:08 GMT
I'm pleased there are a few TT's still in use I look forward to hearing about more
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Post by daytona600 on Sept 26, 2022 9:45:10 GMT
Currently have 17 Modern & Classic with 20+ cartridges Vertere , Technics , Garrard , Project , Thorens etc
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Post by palace on Sept 26, 2022 10:58:54 GMT
Currently have 17 Modern & Classic with 20+ cartridges Vertere , Technics , Garrard , Project , Thorens etc Some might not understand, though I do, apart from a record, CD & cassette collection & comprehensive sound system, I also have a trio of other expensive hobbies demanding their share of my pension.
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Post by julesd68 on Sept 26, 2022 11:14:48 GMT
My Source turntable has been boxed since I started streaming but can't bring myself to sell it or my albums.
This was my deck of dreams as a boy and I had to wait a long time before being able to buy one!
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Post by MartinT on Sept 26, 2022 11:29:38 GMT
Some part of me misses my turntable but I know without doubt that it was worth moving on and reinvesting in streaming.
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Post by palace on Sept 26, 2022 12:40:58 GMT
Some part of me misses my turntable but I know without doubt that it was worth moving on and reinvesting in streaming. I remember when CD came out people binning their TT's & unfortunately their 45's & LP's I just kept buying cheaper records that had not been scratched by the finger rings of those lovely volunteers in charity shops or anywhere that I saw them. the same was true of cassette decks & cassettes I still have mine. I believe the same was happening with CD's due to streaming. As I understand it once set up streaming can be very good, after ripping their CD's to a hard drive selling them off. I have noticed that some streaming services have problems with apps & changes in format indeed some have disappeared. I prefer to have the "hard copy" whilst less than the convenient streaming, LP sales are up if enough return will the streaming services be curtailed. MartinT this is not a criticism of your decision you know your own requirements; it is the rational why I do not stream it would cost money to join a service. I have already spent enough on this journey particularly as we appear to be entering financial problems will people still subscribe. One day if I am still here I may stream if my pension allows but what is definite the TT etc are staying.
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Post by Slinger on Sept 26, 2022 13:55:22 GMT
I've still got 2000+ albums, and the same number of singles, and like Jules, I can't bring myself to sell them. I used to be a bit of a collector, mostly picture discs, coloured vinyl, and limited editions. I also used to haunt second-hand shops/charity shops, before they started employing people to actually check the value of the stuff they got given. I don't think I've got anything incredibly rare, but there are a few minor gems amongst my collection; things like The Arnold Corns' " Moonage Daydream", the B&C copy, not the Phillips release, come to mind, as well as various white label demos and promos. Somewhere I've even got some Bill Haley 78s. My old deck, a Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Esprit SB, bought new, and still with the original Ortofon 2M Red onboard, hasn't been set up for years, since about 10 years after I changed to CD as my main source in fact. These days I stream from copies of my old albums, which I ripped, and currently store on two 2 x 2Gb NAS drives. I still buy CDs, mostly from artists that are established favourites with me, like Bernie Marsden's last three releases, all of which are signed copies. I also download in FLAC format from places like Bandcamp. One day I'll get the deck set up again ...is what I keep saying. As I always make a point of saying ad infinitum though - probably more ad nauseum actually - I've always been about the music, the equipment has ever been a secondary consideration to me, which is why I generally avoid the more " technical" posts here. I have no hi-fi history as such, but I do have some bloody good albums, some of which other people have actually heard of.
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