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Post by MikeMusic on Sept 26, 2022 14:52:33 GMT
Some part of me misses my turntable but I know without doubt that it was worth moving on and reinvesting in streaming. That is a logical decision Captain  |
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Post by palace on Sept 26, 2022 15:22:58 GMT
Some part of me misses my turntable but I know without doubt that it was worth moving on and reinvesting in streaming. That is a logical decision Captain What has logic got to do with HiFi or indeed music it has to be felt by the heart. Accountants & actuary's or God forbid a Liquidator are logical. However if guided by the heart so be it. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Sept 26, 2022 15:54:07 GMT
That is a logical decision Captain What has logic got to do with HiFi or indeed music it has to be felt by the heart. Accountants & actuary's or God forbid a Liquidator are logical. However if guided by the heart so be it. The music is it. Cannot do without it. Method of delivery is up to the punter I would embrace streaming fully if I didn't have a full set up for LPs and vinyl and could silence the inner voice wondering if it will all disappear. My CD set up sounds better than my LP set up and is easier to use |
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Post by MartinT on Sept 26, 2022 16:22:20 GMT
I was definitely guided by my head and my heart.
My heart occasionally mourns the loss of turntable 'drama', especially that Dynavector arm.
My head doesn't.
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Post by palace on Sept 26, 2022 16:30:47 GMT
I was definitely guided by my head and my heart. My heart occasionally mourns the loss of turntable 'drama', especially that Dynavector arm. My head doesn't. I spent my entire working life having to be extremely logical now retired I don't have to be, though It would be illogical of me to cast doubt on your reasoning process which I respect. |
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Post by julesd68 on Feb 24, 2023 12:56:11 GMT
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 24, 2023 18:20:24 GMT
It'd kill you, Jules - it weighs 65kg! |
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Post by julesd68 on Feb 24, 2023 18:41:32 GMT
It'd kill you, Jules - it weighs 65kg! Well spotted ChrisB - I've cancelled my cheque!!  |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 24, 2023 19:43:49 GMT
You missed out on free delivery!
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Post by topalwaysdown on Feb 24, 2023 20:00:01 GMT
Just invested in a Rega Planar 3 deck, and Tom Evan’s phone stage to go with my simaudio kit, not used my vinyl for some years but excited to go back to this medium, plenty of friends have vinyl so plenty of music to share around whilst I get some up to date stuff, by God it’s feckin dear now.
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Post by topalwaysdown on Mar 10, 2023 20:28:39 GMT
My turntable is now in place and I’m happily jumping? up and down to swop sides or change discs, don’t really understand streaming, if as I understand the choice of music is practically unlimited I might spend more time selecting something to hear than actual listening, maybe in the future it will have a place in my rack but until then I’m content.
Well, for now.
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Post by julesd68 on Mar 10, 2023 20:36:10 GMT
Enjoy your music!
That's by far the most important thing in all this.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Mar 10, 2023 21:17:22 GMT
Some interesting points, if l like it,l download it.
And l understand, the spending more time choosing something new,than listening. Isn't that the same as looking though Netflix with your partner for 20 minutes,and you still haven't decided what to watch 😂, although l believe most listeners enjoy the streaming software suggest music, based on what they listen on, so it doesn't need to so tortuous.
My last turntable was,a,Rega planer 3, l loved that turntable...But like many...sold it on and when digital.
But the main thing...Your loving it..
And when you fancy a change there's plenty of people to help you on TAS
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Post by MartinT on Mar 10, 2023 21:45:27 GMT
I loved my turntable, too, but I saw a future of virtually infinite albums available at my disposal so I sold all my record and CD playing equipment and reinvested in streaming.
I don't look back at all, I love the choice, the sound quality, and the discovery of new music.
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Post by ant on Mar 11, 2023 11:12:55 GMT
Well i seem to be doing things backwards. Ive got myself a little streamer recently, a WiiM mini because i wanted one to go with a headphone amp and mf m1 dac instead of plugging an old tablet into it via usb. The usbc socket was not up to being plugged and unplugged so was dropping out all the time.
So, the WiiM mini is streaming via tidal connect and that tablet is controlling it.
Plugged into the main system rather than the headphone system and going via its optical out to a topping e30, it sounds quite satisfactory as a transport. It does have its own internal dac but i havent tried that.
Ive bought things on vinyl that ive found via tidal suggestions, so in the short time ive had tidal and the WiiM mini, its actually expanded my record collection rather than making me want to dump the collection and go the digital route
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Post by gelid on Mar 21, 2023 7:52:43 GMT
I have several turntables... three of those in use, and awaiting a fourth to return from the shop. 600-700 LP's and counting. However, I do have a digital library of my CD collection ripped into lossless FLAC files, as well as Hi-Res downloads... 33,000+ files. I have a small laptop dedicated to this function feeding through a DAC, then to a vintage stereo receiver and out to some vintage speakers. I love vinyl for the personal touch required for me to have as satisfying an experience as I do listening to digital. That is, getting that cartridge aligned perfectly, and matched with the right deck, amp, and speakers.  I also like older music, and almost need to experience it in it's original format. My ears are not what they once were, and I actually have one ear canal grown wider than the other, so my balance settings and speaker placements are a bit unusual, but I appreciate music in all formats... including what comes out of my PC monitor's built-in speakers! |
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Post by ajski2fly on Mar 21, 2023 11:28:27 GMT
Hi Palace, yes I still use a Turntable, although I was without one from about 1989 until 2016. I went down the CD route and digital in the late 90's. I had various CD players including a £2000 Meridian 557 24bit. I stopped listening properly to music from 2003 to 2016, too busy and not happy with my system or how digital sounded.
I got back into vinyl when a good friend was selling his 400+ LP collection and offered me some very well looked after 60's/70's Rock and Jazz albums, it also gave me an interest when recovering from heart issues. Initially I got a Dual 505 to get me going, and shortly after a Pro-Ject Xperience II with Ortofon Rondo Blue from another friend. I was hooked back into vinyl re-play and spent many happy hours for 2-3 years touring charity and 2nd hand shops looking for bargains ion VG-NM condition records
Quite a few aspects of my system have changed over the last 5-6 years, a Gyrodec came and went, used with SME V arm, then a Voyd 2.5 with SME V and Jelco TK-850S, various Phono stages were tried, one costing £3K was moved on. I now have a Pro-Ject Signature 10 with Benz Micro LP-S and use either the phono stage in my Krell KSP-7B pre-amp(SS) or a Audiovalve Sunilda(valve), I have a 3 other cartridges that are used now and then, the Rondo Blue, a Michel Cusis, and Goldring 2500.
I enjoy listening to records greatly, and it is my prime playing source, however some more recent releases I find can be better on digital (CD or Streamed), I think this issue is really down to lack of care taken when mastering for vinyl and pressing it, but a lot of new vinyl is superb whether re-release of new material.
I have started to listen to CD more since getting a Marantz KI Pearl SACD from a close friend. My opinion now is that a well recorded and looked after LP on a good system will sound really good and engaging, but the same can apply with CD or streaming, more so with releases produced in the last 20-25 years which were not subject to the Wall of Sound syndrome. One caveat with CDs/Streaming is that to get the best a good CDP/Streaming set up is needed to do it justice.
I should say IMO that to get very good vinyl replay the cost is generally far more CD or Streaming to get a great rendition.
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Post by Tim on Mar 21, 2023 12:13:07 GMT
I also like older music, and almost need to experience it in it's original format. That right there! ^^^ I've had 6 turntables in my lifetime, but not had a fully running one for many years. I've got a Technics 1210MK2 with Michell TecnoArm, that until a few weeks ago was completely stripped down to it's last nut, bolt and screw – it was like that since early 2018. It's all been cleaned up, serviced with a few new parts and reassembled, but I'm considering stripping it down again and getting the plinth professionally restored. Part of me kind of likes the honesty of a table from the 90s looking a bit beat up (it was a DJ deck) and the other thinks I should fully restore it - I'm still on the fence? I sold about 60% of my LP collection in the early 80s when I bought my first CD player . . . . biggest mistake I've ever made in my musical journey, huge! Fortunately I kept a few hundred that were special to me and I've been buying LPs again for a few years now, I tend to only buy from the artist themselves at shows, so I can put pound notes and a Sharpie in their hands. I enjoy raiding the bins in charity shops occasionally, looking for old blues and jazz records, but that's becoming much harder and more expensive. Not counted, as some are in storage, but I think I have about 350 - 400 LPs (I don’t call them vinyl). I also sold my CD player in 2011 when I went fully into file based audio and ripped my collection which then was about 3,000 CDs and is now over 4,000 FLAC albums. I haven't and won't ever sell my CDs and I'm actually at the point when I'm considering buying a CD player again. Going forward I want my final Hi-Fi system to consist of a Turntable, CD player and a local file based player - streaming for me is mostly for discovery, as I still like to own my own music and not be at the mercy of a streaming service or temperamental artist. I've quite eclectic taste, often a long way from mainstream so a lot isn't available to stream, but that's improving over time. There are many pundits though, Ted Gioia for example, who think streaming’s popularity will decline. I think he might be right, but who knows? I'll prune and consolidate my music collection into the music that means the most to me and that'll be at hand to play, the rest will be in a cupboard or loft, but it'll still be mine, not some corporation who charges me to borrow it. |
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Post by MartinT on Mar 21, 2023 12:42:40 GMT
I sold about 60% of my LP collection in the early 80s when I bought my first CD player . . . . biggest mistake I've ever made in my musical journey, huge! I thought I would feel the same way about selling my entire record collection. However, apart from a few pangs associated with the beauty of operation of my turntable, I really don't. It's not the media I was attached to, but the music. I took care to photograph the edges of my record shelves so that I could recall what I had. I have almost all the good stuff on Qobuz playlists now. |
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Post by palace on Mar 21, 2023 13:09:35 GMT
Hi Palace, yes I still use a Turntable, although I was without one from about 1989 until 2016. I went down the CD route and digital in the late 90's. I had various CD players including a £2000 Meridian 557 24bit. I stopped listening properly to music from 2003 to 2016, too busy and not happy with my system or how digital sounded. I got back into vinyl when a good friend was selling his 400+ LP collection and offered me some very well looked after 60's/70's Rock and Jazz albums, it also gave me an interest when recovering from heart issues. Initially I got a Dual 505 to get me going, and shortly after a Pro-Ject Xperience II with Ortofon Rondo Blue from another friend. I was hooked back into vinyl re-play and spent many happy hours for 2-3 years touring charity and 2nd hand shops looking for bargains ion VG-NM condition records Quite a few aspects of my system have changed over the last 5-6 years, a Gyrodec came and went, used with SME V arm, then a Voyd 2.5 with SME V and Jelco TK-850S, various Phono stages were tried, one costing £3K was moved on. I now have a Pro-Ject Signature 10 with Benz Micro LP-S and use either the phono stage in my Krell KSP-7B pre-amp(SS) or a Audiovalve Sunilda(valve), I have a 3 other cartridges that are used now and then, the Rondo Blue, a Michel Cusis, and Goldring 2500. I enjoy listening to records greatly, and it is my prime playing source, however some more recent releases I find can be better on digital (CD or Streamed), I think this issue is really down to lack of care taken when mastering for vinyl and pressing it, but a lot of new vinyl is superb whether re-release of new material. I have started to listen to CD more since getting a Marantz KI Pearl SACD from a close friend. My opinion now is that a well recorded and looked after LP on a good system will sound really good and engaging, but the same can apply with CD or streaming, more so with releases produced in the last 20-25 years which were not subject to the Wall of Sound syndrome. One caveat with CDs/Streaming is that to get the best a good CDP/Streaming set up is needed to do it justice. I should say IMO that to get very good vinyl replay the cost is generally far more CD or Streaming to get a great rendition. ajski2fly I can't disagree that vinyl can cost more to play, however I started when the choice was Vinyl, FM radio & R to R, my turntable was bought for me, in the early 70's a couple of arm changes & a few types of cartridge 4 pre-amp/phono stages to where I am today. Transcriptor made Michell badged Hydraulic Reference Hadcock 242 silver + arm with XTC counterweight, Cartridgeman Musicmaster (prototype) A Croft phono stage built in to a Vitale case commissioned by Len Gregory. So all in all a few £££'s compared to others spend, spread over around 50 years. As for Vinyl I used the decline of vinyl to raid various charity shops to benefit from the sad demise of husbands whose wives gifted their collections to the shops. Ending up with 1500 + LP's, on top of those I bought from 1966 onwards I use FM & CD as well as a Virgin Tivo box the later two fed through a Caiman SEG(50) & Dorado 3 not been impressed when I have heard "streaming" further with my other hobbes the medium is not pension friendly. I do agree that LP's & CD quality is variable especially when LP's were bastardised with "electrically reproduced stereo" conversely because my records were at my daughters (building work) over the last couple of years I have bought Pet Sounds "mono", Wish You Were Here plus a few others all re-masters all sounding better than my pristine originals I bought at the time. As for CD's some are dreadful others hold their own against vinyl. My friend Len Gregory died, therefore his cartridges are unavailable, I will have to replace my cartridge probably this year a Hana ML is top of my list, going to a moving coil from a moving iron the gain could be problematic, my friend Mark Manwaring White aka Mark the Ming has told me he will fit a pair of SUT's into the Vitale case when the time comes. |
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