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Post by MikeMusic on May 2, 2023 17:58:47 GMT
Streaming has to be close to the TAD CD for it to be worthwhile
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Post by Tim on May 2, 2023 18:03:16 GMT
Streaming has to be close to the TAD CD for it to be worthwhile BUT WHAT ARE YOU COMPARING IT TO MIKE . . . Hello  |
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Post by MikeMusic on May 2, 2023 18:46:02 GMT
Spotty streaming to TAD CD
Didn't expect parity. Assumed Spotty would do better for longer
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Post by John on May 2, 2023 19:57:35 GMT
Spotify is not as good as Qobuz. I still think it would be a long way of the TAD due to quality of what you ae comparing too. It is not a far comparison at present.
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Post by MikeMusic on May 2, 2023 20:17:29 GMT
This was an immediate impression on one album
Will test more and hear more
What stopped me in my tracks was the lack in streamed version after seconds
As I said above I thought it would be a lot closer
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Post by John on May 2, 2023 20:23:38 GMT
You comparing a TAD CD player to a Bluesound node Its a big difference in price and performance. You can get there but you would need to improve the streamer and put in a similar effort like Martin to the digital chain.
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Post by MartinT on May 2, 2023 20:43:02 GMT
It's a process. Baby steps. Mike will get there.
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Post by MikeMusic on May 3, 2023 9:13:25 GMT
Should have done some maths
D-1000 retails around £12000.
Divide it equally into 3 for the CD, DAC and Pre
£4000 each
Bluesound £500, performing at the £1000 + mark but not £4000
Has been a very useful mental exercise or two thinking about streaming and CD
Saves me around an hour a day not sampling CDs I'm not buying
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Post by Tim on May 3, 2023 9:14:01 GMT
Spotty streaming to TAD CD Didn't expect parity. Assumed Spotty would do better for longer That combination (Bluesound/Spotify) is very convenient and for most people all they ever want, or need. But it is entry level and your CDP isn't entry level! Things to consider Mike . . . Spotify is great, works with anything, brilliant for discovery with it's large catalogue and very simple to use . . . but it's limited being lossy, so if sound quality is important then you need to at least try a lossless streaming service. It is possible to vastly improve on the sound quality of a Bluesound (especially with your TAD) for less money than a Bluesound, but you have to get your hands dirty with small board computers and software. A Bluesound is entry level, but you are not getting the best from it yet with Spotify Premium (I'm assuming it is Premium you have?), but even with something like Qobuz or Tidal, it still won't be as good as your CDP. A WiiM Pro powered by a battery bank and using Qobuz sounds a lot better than a Bluesound for half the price, but the app, despite what the reviewers tell you, is nowhere near as good as BlueOS. It's very basic and sometimes clunky on Android, it's apparently a lot better on Apple devices. Just some thoughts  |
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Post by MikeMusic on May 3, 2023 9:24:08 GMT
Thanks Tim
The Bluesound OS is a good thing to use.
No way I'm getting into building, debugging, sorting, resorting computers, no matter how much of a cheapskate I am
Lack the skill, knowledge, patience and hair shirt
When I was running both vinyl and CDs the sound quality was the same when both Deck and CD player were around the same retail price, coincidentally or not.
On that basis I need £4000 for streaming to equal the D-1000
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Post by Tim on May 3, 2023 9:28:21 GMT
Yup, I would agree, a Bluesound does punch well above its price point but I think you're right about it being about as good as a 1k streamer. Don't right it off just yet though, try Qobuz |
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Post by julesd68 on May 3, 2023 12:50:41 GMT
Spotty streaming to TAD CD Didn't expect parity. Assumed Spotty would do better for longer That combination (Bluesound/Spotify) is very convenient and for most people all they ever want, or need. But it is entry level and your CDP isn't entry level! Things to consider Mike . . . Spotify is great, works with anything, brilliant for discovery with it's large catalogue and very simple to use . . . but it's limited being lossy, so if sound quality is important then you need to at least try a lossless streaming service. A Bluesound is entry level, but you are not getting the best from it yet with Spotify Premium (I'm assuming it is Premium you have?), Outrageous, Sir! How dare you impune the good name and character of Spotify Premium which has been such a loyal and devoted servant to me over the years. It has kept up with every upgrade I have made and you might be surprised how good it can sound in spite of its supposedly inferior tech spec...  I will hear no more of this reckless slander or you will be hearing from my lawyer. Incidentally, as far as I know Mike is using the free Spotify, which can't be compared favourably at all to Premium in terms of sound quality. |
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Post by MartinT on May 3, 2023 14:44:39 GMT
Free Spotify is crap and not to be confused with anything vaguely hi-fi.
Spotify Premium is remarkably decent sounding considering it's still compressed (Ogg rather than mp3).
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Post by John on May 3, 2023 16:50:47 GMT
As Martin suggests you need to hear streaming services via the best quality.
I don't think the Bluesound node is anywhere near best in its class but its app is decent and setup straight forward. It really needs a better power supply to perform at its potential.
But to be honest start a free month trail on Qobuz first and get a true sense where the node is at.
Then decide if streaming is for you and if yes a good time to investigate different streaming options and how you could get it up and maybe beyond the TAD
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Post by John on May 3, 2023 16:57:00 GMT
Thanks Tim I need £4000 for streaming to equal the D-1000 I am not sure you will need to spend 4000. |
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Post by MikeMusic on May 3, 2023 18:08:18 GMT
As Martin suggests you need to hear streaming services via the best quality. I don't think the Bluesound node is anywhere near best in its class but its app is decent and setup straight forward. It really needs a better power supply to perform at its potential. But to be honest start a free month trail on Qobuz first and get a true sense where the node is at. Then decide if streaming is for you and if yes a good time to investigate different streaming options and how you could get it up and maybe beyond the TAD I'm going streaming. Decision made. Who with and what with to be decided Looking at a PSU upgrade for the Bluesound started the ball rolling |
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Post by MikeMusic on May 3, 2023 18:09:04 GMT
Thanks Tim I need £4000 for streaming to equal the D-1000 I am not sure you will need to spend 4000. Good ! The less the better  |
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Post by MikeMusic on May 12, 2023 14:05:35 GMT
Cunning Plan
Sign up for Qobuz
Use as much as possible for the free month
Check if missing albums are on Spotty
Hopefully I have an answer inside the month
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 8, 2023 19:45:43 GMT
Tortuous Tech A few steps up from the Bluesound is MartinT s Sonore Rendu Got one in Installed and working on Logitech Ok, but liked the idea of Martin's preferred Bubble Upnp Worked well, while he was here. Problems after with the Sonore not being seen, not connecting and other My broadband has been all over the place so that seemed the issue. Step one Get an aerial/antenna. Tested in various places and best being held out of the Velux window. Step two Buy an extension cable and install. The expected results way up high on the TV mast don't happen. Poor Try the other end of the house to see the broadband mast more clearly, rather than through a row of very tall trees. That was the best and seemed to work. Nope TP Link router in next Best results on the rabbit ears antenna. The antenna up the side of the house is usually worse. Sonore seen occasionally Installer coming back on Monday to redirect the antenna Result so far Frustration and loads of money spent Bluesound works with the occasional glitch Difficult to be philosophical |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 8, 2023 20:43:48 GMT
We'll get it sorted, Mike, but it does require a decent and reliable signal which seems to be the sticking point.
Once that's sorted, the Rendu delivers in spades and you won't be disappointed.
Hoping you can get a reliable signal and then I'll pop over after my return from holiday to get everything setup optimally (including removing every trace of LMS which didn't work very well anyway).
Hang tight!
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