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Post by HD Music & Test on Sept 21, 2023 11:15:51 GMT
I have thoughts on this, but it will be Damo's here I'm interested in due to his dac of choice.
Did this yesterday dragging the LB out of the outside test kit box and hooked it up to the spare R26 I have.
Thank you chaps it is appreciated.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Sept 21, 2023 11:27:33 GMT
I have thoughts on this, but it will be Damo's here I'm interested in due to his dac of choice. Did this yesterday dragging the LB out of the outside test kit box and hooked it up to the spare R26 I have. Thank you chaps it is appreciated. Okay Tony, Will probably be Sunday before l get my next chance to play.. |
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Post by bencat on Sept 21, 2023 21:10:27 GMT
Okay changed the PLL to 15 and have given it a little while to settle in . It has changed things but not sure if it is for the better . Bass is certainly improved and more detailed and textured . But the treble is a little too much and has sharpened a little too much . I have just changed the banana plugs over on my cables today to copper ones . This may have added to changes and as with what seems like everything they may need burn in time as well . So will come back to this .
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Post by atoz on Sept 22, 2023 6:39:16 GMT
Okay changed the PLL to 15 and have given it a little while to settle in . It has changed things but not sure if it is for the better . Bass is certainly improved and more detailed and textured . But the treble is a little too much and has sharpened a little too much . I have just changed the banana plugs over on my cables today to copper ones . This may have added to changes and as with what seems like everything they may need burn in time as well . So will come back to this . Same findings with my X26pro. Iam liking pll15 setting on well recorded/produced artist music (Paul Simon etc) ,listening to the Kinks on the other hand with pll15 setting ,is like Iam hearing how it was recorded in studio, before it was mixed?....again maybe not the best way to describe it. Vocals/ backing vocals and instruments are clearly heard but the sound is not as full/musical as before. Is pll15 setting putting out what that Kinks recording should actually sound? I don't know,I might try tweaking pll down some notches...who knows. |
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Post by moomalade on Sept 22, 2023 8:24:27 GMT
Hi,
I'm the person who originally found I liked the 15 setting and reached out to Tony to ask his opinion on the matter. I'm very grateful to you guys for taking the effort and seeing if this perception I have of PLL 15 has merit in a wider context.
I think the LB must default to this 15 setting because I hadn't noticed it was inadvertantly set to that for some time before I recently did the monthly recalibration routine. When I saw this I put the LB back to 9 and noticed the sound was thicker and fuller (warmer?) with less depth and width. I prefer the clarity and separation of the 15 setting.
I've been going back and forth between the two settings for some time now and I'm settled on 15 working best for me. Maybe this is a system dependent issue? It's good at least the LB has this ability to be tweaked!
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Post by HD Music & Test on Sept 22, 2023 8:52:54 GMT
How many here that have replied are running an X26 as apposed to a R26, I did that test last night and its quite marked on the X26, where as on the R26 I way prefer 9 no question. 15 in my own system is a backwards step
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Post by atoz on Sept 22, 2023 9:08:30 GMT
How many here that have replied are running an X26 as apposed to a R26, I did that test last night and its quite marked on the X26, where as on the R26 I way prefer 9 no question. 15 in my own system is a backwards step Tony,probably myself with LB attached. Going back to The Kinks I commented on, PLL15 shows up which tunes were poorly recorded/produced on that greatest hits (cd)..different recording studios maybe for the better sounding tracks? |
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Post by moomalade on Sept 22, 2023 9:25:48 GMT
I should add, I'm running a Gustard R26 myself
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Post by bencat on Sept 22, 2023 11:45:16 GMT
I am using a dCS Purcell/Delius pair and have now had a longer time to listen with a few hours running the new banana plugs . Things have settled down a bit (I know it sounds idiotic and never fails to surprise me when things change over time) . Today everything has opened out with the 15 setting and the improvement of the bass end is still there , what has changed is that the treble has lost the slightly hard and accenuated nature it had when I first changed the setting . It has now become more detailed but less shouty for want of a better expression . Yesterday when I first tried it the treble was going look at me here I am notice me . This has now stopped and the balance has been returned . Voices are back to sounding like real voices . Now I am not sure if this is just the setting or the new plugs so will change back to 9 on the PLL over the weekend and see what I hear .
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Post by MartinT on Sept 22, 2023 12:35:56 GMT
I have slowly learned that every single system change (including just disconnecting and reconnecting) requires more burn-in. Speed it up with the Tara Labs burn-in signal.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Sept 24, 2023 14:23:11 GMT
How many here that have replied are running an X26 as apposed to a R26, I did that test last night and its quite marked on the X26, where as on the R26 I way prefer 9 no question. 15 in my own system is a backwards step So finally managed to navigate some time for listening. No changes at this end, although I wish my stuff would hurry up from AliExpress,so l can play.. So the LB... Using the BW setting 15 is a definite backwards step in my set up with the R26,compared to 9. l used Stings Lazarus Heart in 24bit to test this. On 15 it sounds tonally fine, but once you select 9, it so more precise, stereo effects and panning from L to R is noticeable, high frequencies have more zing, as mentioned, its more precise sounding, as if 15 is out of focus if you where looks though a lens, and 9 is bang on. Hope,this,helps Tony Damien |
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Post by stellabagpuss on Sept 25, 2023 9:08:04 GMT
Just been thinking of the wider picture with BW, if the X26 sounds better on 15 ,and the R26 on 9, this means it can vary from DAC to DAC.. and also a bit of a design headache.. perhaps the BW setting is the new azimuth or tracking of the digital era?
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Post by atoz on Sept 25, 2023 11:07:43 GMT
I am going to experiment with BW setting on my x26pro..from 15 to 10 going down 1 at a time and listen,my ears/system might not be good enough to hear those small changes, instead of the big jump from 9-15 in one go?
Tony,did you try other settings of BW from 9-15 on the X26?.
Also will the new audiophile LB still give us this option to change BW?
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Post by HD Music & Test on Sept 25, 2023 11:22:00 GMT
Hi Damien
The R26 is way more natural and fluid, although doesn't have the total detail or slam ability of the X26.
All of the chaps that use DS dac's I know prefer 9, I use R2R and use 9 as well when I use the LB clock. The two chaps that have mentioned they prefer 15 use an R26 and an X26 although the are situtated much higher in the UK than the rest of us here. I did a quick latitude search and they are almost on the same parallel lines, my suggestion would be satellite locations.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Sept 25, 2023 11:55:30 GMT
Wow....that really presents a strange compatibility issue then,if it's down to signal,or some GPS satellites more accurate than others?
l stick my antenna on my window, perhaps use of a outside antenna would help,l guess if your in a bottom basement, that would bring its own issues.
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Post by HD Music & Test on Sept 25, 2023 19:27:12 GMT
I would suggest that they maybe more of them above those users in that part of the world, remeber the sat nav's used to triangulate 'x' number of sats in that grouping at that time same appiles to anything uses this method. I maybe wrong chaps, but its a working theory.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Sept 25, 2023 20:16:01 GMT
Interesting Tony, so because l'm a simpleton, are you say the LB receives 3 different satellites at the same time?
Sorry if it's a dumb question... l thought it worked receiving from one signal only.
So the LB operates similar to a SAT NAV? So it can be a bit random to which Satellites it locks on to,depending on location?
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Post by HD Music & Test on Sept 25, 2023 21:02:51 GMT
Most GPS devices can use upto 9+ sats to obtain a very accurate fix depending on the device and accuracy required. The basis of GPS is "triangulation" from satellites. To "triangulate," a GPS receiver measures distance using the travel time of radio signals. To measure travel time, GPS needs very accurate timing. Along with distance, you need to know exactly where the satellites are in space.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Sept 25, 2023 21:18:21 GMT
Thanks Tony, that's makes sense.
Keep us up to date, as it's really interesting, as it seems your location can effect things.
Have l been misunderstanding the BW setting? l thought this was something to do with the output signal, does the BW setting widened the bandwidth to receive more satellites?
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Post by HD Music & Test on Sept 25, 2023 21:38:21 GMT
This depends on where you are in the world, and how good your line of sight is with your receiving antenna, proximity to other RF/EMI sources I do have some fancy dancy GPS sat anntena simply because of the comms work we do these are slaved by the big Mutec clock. However something like the items below may assist you.
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