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Post by stellabagpuss on May 31, 2023 17:31:39 GMT
Ugh, I hope you manage to can Volumio soon enough old boy. I can't imagine going back to it ... Tim uses a work around, the truth is l am in the minority playing from local files. So l have two options, playback using Volumio on my NAS. Or set up one of NUC as a jriver server and and some how push it to Volumio, using Jriver, that bit l will have to discover. |
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Post by HD Music & Test on May 31, 2023 18:02:57 GMT
You could use one of the other MM or FB?
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Post by stellabagpuss on May 31, 2023 18:25:40 GMT
You could use one of the other MM or FB? Sorry Tony..what is MM or FB? |
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Post by HD Music & Test on May 31, 2023 18:47:08 GMT
Foobar or Media monkey
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Post by Tim on May 31, 2023 19:17:54 GMT
Ugh, I hope you manage to can Volumio soon enough old boy. I can't imagine going back to it ... If you use Volumio as a network bridge it's brilliant Jules, as you don't have any interaction with Volumio it's purely a DLNA renderer, just like a Rendu. Once it's installed you never need see it again! A lot of the network bridge commercially available products actually use it, the Pro-Ject stream box is just a Pi with Volumio and a good power supply. But I agree, Volumio by itself and doing everything is hard to like and I would never use it by itself - but purely as a network bridge/endpoint it's very good. A lot don't really understand that and baulk as soon as you say Volumio.
I have a Pi 2 with Martins Allo DigiOne on top running Volumio, but everything regarding FLAC file management and playback control is via JRiver which sits on the network, so it's isolated from the Pi/Allo/Volumio renderer. The principle is the same as Roon running on a core with an endpoint - the endpoint doesn't do anything other than receive packets of data from a server and hand them off to a DAC or DDC. |
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Post by stellabagpuss on May 31, 2023 19:19:12 GMT
Aha... Got it now.. l presume they also have Linux versions? As l trying to abandon Windows OS. I actually have used MM for years,l use it on my MP3 library for conversion duties. Haven't used Foobar for replay for a bit,however l use it for my FLAC to WAV conversions and tagging duties.... Lots of options... Just have plough on,and trust my ears 👂 🤣 Thanks Tony |
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Post by stellabagpuss on May 31, 2023 19:27:45 GMT
Ugh, I hope you manage to can Volumio soon enough old boy. I can't imagine going back to it ... If you use Volumio as a network bridge it's brilliant Jules, as you don't have any interaction with Volumio it's purely a DLNA renderer, just like a Rendu. Once it's installed you never need see it again! A lot of the network bridge commercially available products actually use it, the Pro-Ject stream box is just a Pi with Volumio and a good power supply. But I agree, Volumio by itself and doing everything is hard to like and I would never use it by itself - but purely as a network bridge/endpoint it's very good. A lot don't really understand that and baulk as soon as you say Volumio.
I have a Pi 2 with Martins Allo DigiOne on top running Volumio, but everything regarding FLAC file management and playback control is via JRiver which sits on the network, so it's isolated from the Pi/Allo/Volumio renderer. The principle is the same as Roon running on a core with an endpoint - the endpoint doesn't do anything other than receive packets of data from a server and hand them off to a DAC or DDC. You make it sound so easy Tim 🤣 But it sounds like l can have my cake and eat, as J Remote 2 is a excellent app, and as it stands, in my limited experience Volumio 3 audio quality is brilliant, or ar least the one l prefer, so this will be the next rabbit hole. |
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Post by Tim on May 31, 2023 19:36:37 GMT
Volumio with the right hardware and implementation can sound very good indeed, Pro-Ject and iFi Audio seem to think it's OK, but it does need help - on it's own it's a fuggle!
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Post by HD Music & Test on May 31, 2023 19:40:44 GMT
Personally I'd just write my OS in linux, way better playback, although the GUI may not be roon lol.
So you are still using a NUC then?
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Post by HD Music & Test on May 31, 2023 19:48:18 GMT
Roon, oh woe is me lol
What about Bubble UPnP
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Post by HD Music & Test on May 31, 2023 19:51:17 GMT
Just pair down Win7, you can get running at 8-10% of cpu useage, needs a bit of BIOS work to underclock the ram & cpu but its worth the effort or you could just obtain a reasonable streamer but that would be to easy right?
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Post by julesd68 on May 31, 2023 20:19:03 GMT
Volumio with the right hardware and implementation can sound very good indeed, Pro-Ject and iFi Audio seem to think it's OK, but it does need help - on it's own it's a fuggle! Tim,I used Volumio as the software in a Digi One and later in an Asus Tinkerboard - no issue with the sound quality which was very good indeed but I found myself spending far too much time in the settings, when it would seem to regularly forget my selections. The worst issue was getting it to work properly with Spotify Connect which would have me cursing regularly when it failed to connect first time, which happened a lot ... But if others get on with it, great! |
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Post by Tim on May 31, 2023 20:22:15 GMT
So many different ways to skin a cat, which way though . . . that's the question?
A paired down Windows 7 is actually a very good solution, I nearly went back to that funnily enough as it can be ideal and I did that for quite a few years, but I wanted to try a Linux alternative.
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Post by Tim on May 31, 2023 20:50:16 GMT
Volumio with the right hardware and implementation can sound very good indeed, Pro-Ject and iFi Audio seem to think it's OK, but it does need help - on it's own it's a fuggle! Tim,I used Volumio as the software in a Digi One and later in an Asus Tinkerboard - no issue with the sound quality which was very good indeed but I found myself spending far too much time in the settings, when it would seem to regularly forget my selections. The worst issue was getting it to work properly with Spotify Connect which would have me cursing regularly when it failed to connect first time, which happened a lot ... But if others get on with it, great! Jules, I'm not 'using' Volumio in the true sense of the word, I'm not sure folk are understanding that. Once it's installed on the microSD card and running in the Pi, that's it, I never see it again other than as a DLNA renderer in JRiver. I have no interaction with it whatsoever, once it's setup. I did have a problem setting up Martin's Digi One but that was his secondary USB power mod as my battery was shutting down. The power draw was too low, so it switched itself off so no power was going to the top board - really had me confused as it would start playing then stop, but there's nothing on the battery to indicate it had powered off. I haven't been into the Volumio settings once since it was setup, it's a renderer not a stand alone music player, I mustn't be explaining it well, as I'm not using it like you guys did - it's a network bridge/endpoint/ renderer, pick any of those nomenclature as they're basically the same thing. As for Spotify connect, can't comment on that as I only use it with JRiver playing FLAC files. Volumio itself is passive, everything is controlled and administered by JRiver and JRemote2. |
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Post by stellabagpuss on May 31, 2023 21:53:03 GMT
I get it Tim,hence my interest. l look forward playing and reporting back
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Post by John on Jun 1, 2023 5:02:39 GMT
Jules
With the Zen stream apart from setup I do not interact with Volumio (and this is minimal), either set up for Bubble Spotify connect or Roon and then just never interact with it again, Its different to my experience with the pi and Tinkerboard and totally get your frustration with it.
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Post by julesd68 on Jun 1, 2023 11:46:08 GMT
I won't pollute Damien's thread any more with my Volumio demons!  |
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jun 1, 2023 13:29:16 GMT
That's not a problem Jules... As l share your frustration with Volumio 3, but it sounds like Tim solution may well work.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jun 7, 2023 16:18:57 GMT
So as you may have read on other threads, it looks Tim suggestion of using Jriver as a end point, and simply using Volumio 3 to transcode the data to my Gustard R26 works a treat,using DNLA.
This has surprised me, but TBH after being left dissapointed with Streaming, l come to the conclusion, that you need to put some effort into your network.
So while l have some refinement to do, it's looking positive. And of cause this has now means l also have another possibility of running direct to the R26 via DNLA, and it should be interesting,which l prefer.
There are plenty of network refinements l can apply, thankfully l am covered on Low Noise PSU, so l will check out if swapping to the Netgear GS108E will bring an improvement,and even try triple stacking, to see if there is any truth in this claim. And then try out a Network to Fibre optic converter,which you lots seems to lower noise floor.
So exciting times.. l keep you posted
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Post by John on Jun 7, 2023 18:20:52 GMT
Looking forward to reading more
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