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Post by ajski2fly on Apr 19, 2024 9:56:06 GMT
Yes I agree producing cobalt is not great at present, however it is use in many products not just batteries although that usage has increased greatly techiescientist.com/uses-of-cobalt/. However there is a big move to LFP batteries and the majority of car batteries, at present made in China, are LFP, these use lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO 4) so it is likely using Cobalt will drop off. as an aside iron is about 90% off all world mining as it is used in a vast amount of industries and products. Also there is a big push to get Solid State batteries to be usable in EVs and this would again change car battery composition again. EVs or alternative fuel adoption is just one aspect of trying to become cleaner and yes there are issues around it, but it removes one aspect of CO2 production and other nasties that ICE vehicles produce. Obviously the method used to produce the electricity in the chain can and does have issues, production of it from Gas, Coal or Oil is and will hopefully be phased out with a move to green electricity (Wind, Solar, Wave, Hydro) support by Nuclear where necessary. Without any change then I suspect the planet will a very different and probably a not very nice place to place to live, certainly within 50 years if not sooner, based on current climate change prediction and lack of world government action. Sadly Coal is on the increase up to 2022 ourworldindata.org/electricity-mix as is gas.
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Post by MartinT on Apr 19, 2024 10:09:00 GMT
I've said for a long time that nuclear is going to be a must for electricity generation in the future.
The UK government has comprehensively stuffed its nuclear programme through gross incompetence.
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Post by ajski2fly on Apr 19, 2024 10:17:05 GMT
On a more positive note, I thought some of you might be interested in what some major industries are doing with EVs.
By the way there are several BEV HGVs in use 24/7 by a manufacturing company in Brisbane and it costs them negligable amount compared to traditional trucks to run as all from Solar power, just some servicing, and the factory is completely run on Solar as well, their cost savings are huge.
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Post by ajski2fly on Apr 19, 2024 10:44:03 GMT
and to back up the EV Batteries last a lot more longer than you would think, and remember the optimum operating temp is around 70F or 21C, not a common temperature in Aus.
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 19, 2024 10:54:17 GMT
I've said for a long time that nuclear is going to be a must for electricity generation in the future. The UK government has comprehensively stuffed its nuclear programme through gross incompetence. I hope nuclear is not the way we have to go Gross incompetence is the rule for everything they touch Correct and working is a happy accident |
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Post by ajski2fly on Apr 19, 2024 11:01:06 GMT
Oh look a Rubbish EV
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Post by Mr Whippy on Apr 19, 2024 17:40:26 GMT
Not an accurate or true representation of the facts. Firstly the interviewer makes quotes at the start which are old news and up to 2 years old so a slanted biased start. Secondly most EV batteries from major manufacturers are warranties for 6-8 years and up to 100k mile, Kia I think may be 10. There are several Teslas in the world, that which have been verified, whoch have done over 300k miles and are still going on the original battery. Hydrogen power in cars is smoke and mirrors, very costly and unless produced with green electric to split water it is a very dirty process. Bio/eco fuels are petro/chemical industry clinging on to gain maximum profit. Again a very dirty process and when burnt creates co2, what a joke. Toyota is pushing their hydrogen car in Aus, but then they have built a plant their making it from coal, a filthy process that has lots of nasty by products including methane, they then ship it to Japan. They did this to move their co2 production away. People need to report that facts not inaccurate stuff If she doesn't want to take the business risk she sees with EVs, that's her choice. It's not as if she doesn't want to; she says this in the video, and, having some history in the sector, I would have thought she would know what she was talking about. And she's not alone as the caller at the end of the video indicates. And if there's an increasing number of EV owners wanting to ditch them, and move back to ICE, as she says, what's the reason for it? It would be interesting to find out how many members of the cabinet have an EV. And Sadiq Khan would rather stick to his 5 litre Range Rover. A (once) enthusiastic EV owner. Well he did buy one for £120,000: |
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Post by julesd68 on Apr 19, 2024 18:17:45 GMT
So the dude is claiming that EVs are "disposable items" based on the fact his garage won't buy his Taycan back right now as there is a new model coming out and they have too many of the old model. to shift ... 
Yes, new cars can depreciate rapidly, especially expensive sports cars, petrol or EV. What a lightbulb moment for him ... How many people in the real world are likely to have the same experience?
He's peddling this ludicrous sob story to get on the 'EVs are shit' bandwagon just to create a bit of controversy to market his YouTube channel. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 19, 2024 20:02:40 GMT
New cars lose value as you drive out of the showroom shock horror
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Post by Fro on Apr 19, 2024 20:32:12 GMT
Finally saw one of these crazy trucks in Texas!  |
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Post by MartinT on Apr 19, 2024 21:14:13 GMT
Well, that gives the Tesla Cyber Truck a sense of scale.
As with everything people buy, they should do their homework. What is the charging infrastructure for their choice of EV like? What are the real servicing costs including battery change at end of life? What kind of pattern do they expect their driving to consist of? What are they really going to pay for keeping it on the road? What is the depreciation like?
That idiot who bought the Taycan is a bit of a dick because he doesn't seem to have done any of that. I won't be sharing his silly video.
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Post by Mr Whippy on Apr 19, 2024 23:33:03 GMT
Well it doesn't get any simpler than this:
Some people will think EVs are the bee's patella. Others won't.
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 20, 2024 8:05:19 GMT
From what I have seen of prices for Electric and Fossil vehicles it has been a roller coaster, electric currently in a dip which may be temporary or permanent
Probably to do with supply and demand
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Post by julesd68 on Apr 20, 2024 8:24:57 GMT
I was forced to change my car at the beginning of lockdown due to ULEZ and chose to buy a petrol car on the basis that the EV range and charging infrastructure weren't adequate. I'm sure I made the correct decision.
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Post by MartinT on Apr 20, 2024 9:18:42 GMT
Me too, Jules. An EV would be useless for me with my long and unpredictable commute and the last thing I want to have to do is stop at the pricy motorway services for half an hour to charge up.
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Post by ajski2fly on Apr 25, 2024 8:25:38 GMT
How far do you commute Martin? If it is 100 miles each way then if you selected the right EV with a +300 mile range you could do to the trip there and back easily even in the winter allowing 15% less range when cold, with heating on etc. I average around 4 miles per kw, so 200 miles is 50 kWh. If able to home charge, then 6 hours at intelligent Octopus overnight would be 42kwh at £0.075/kWh and another 8kwh at £0.27/kWh a total of £5.31. An average cost of £0.0265/mile. (Current rates) Equivalent current cost doing 40mpg at £6.81/gallon (£1.50/L) is, motorway fuel is often dearer by around 5p/L, but at £6.81/g 5 gallons is £34.05 (£0.17/mile) So a daily saving of £28.74 or £143.70/month or £1724.40/year Even if you needed to charge from 20% to 80% at a supercharger, if a Tesla this would be 48kwh at peak rate of 0.045 is £21.60(off peak as low as £0.35/kWh) which is £0.11/mile, if at generc supercharger they are at present on average £0.75/kWh which is £0.1875/mile), but some are as low as £0.55/kwh. Just to clarify I am talking about 100kwh superchargers and above. With respect to charging times a 20 to 80% charge of a Tesla M3 on a 120kwh supercharger takes 48/120*60 = 24mins, in my experience on a 250kwh charger is usually just around 18 minutes. Some models of makes like Kia, Hyundai, Porsche can charge at over 700mph, which is another way the industry quotes, if you go to ev-database.org/uk/#sort:path~type~order=.fastcharge_speed~number~desc|rs-price:prev~next=10000~95000|rs-range:prev~next=300~500|rs-fastcharge:prev~next=400~1000|rs-acceleration:prev~next=2~23|rs-topspeed:prev~next=60~260|rs-battery:prev~next=10~200|rs-towweight:prev~next=0~2500|rs-eff:prev~next=150~500|rs-safety:prev~next=-1~5|paging:currentPage=0|paging:number=10 which show current EVs available in the UK a range over 300 miles and able to charger at over 400mph, which equates to charging on 200kwh rapidcharger (20-80% or adding 48kwh would be mins around 16 minutes. The EV-database.org/uk is independent showing published and real world figures, I have found it to be pretty accurate and realistic. If anything slightly pessimistic real world figures, but then I am no longer a boot boy and cruise on motorways at 70mph, like any vehicle flooring the thing or driving at high speeds and it will gobble more fuel, whatever it uses. I hope some who may be considering an EV or are confused by it all may find this helpful. |
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Post by speedysteve on Apr 26, 2024 21:15:38 GMT
He'll be retired 👍 before it's delivered.
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Post by MartinT on Apr 26, 2024 21:45:58 GMT
Look, in case I haven't made it crystal clear in my previous posts about cars, I enjoy driving and I love the aesthetics of good cars.
Therefore I have no intention of buying a passionless enjoyment-free EV.
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Post by speedysteve on Apr 27, 2024 16:38:52 GMT
Look, in case I haven't made it crystal clear in my previous posts about cars, I enjoy driving and I love the aesthetics of good cars. Therefore I have no intention of buying a passionless enjoyment-free EV. You are right to save yourself for something special.. with that extra driving experience 😂 caterhamcars.com/en/models/evsevenOr if you must dull the experience with a roof and paint 🙄 www.lotuscars.com/en-GB/evijaHere's my pick - perfectly practical for the track 🏁🏎️ www.elmofo.com.au/electric-radicalJust watch those race start videos 😍 |
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Post by MartinT on Apr 27, 2024 16:43:19 GMT
Yes, all of those look like true fun. Not my choice, but I've already alluded to my future desire and it'll have a sodding great V8 in it.
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