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Post by nicholas on Jul 31, 2022 17:57:43 GMT
"Not everything that matters, can be measured. Not everything that can be measured, matters" - A. Einstein
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Post by wannarock2 on Jul 31, 2022 20:29:18 GMT
dude, it’s all about the psychoacoustics
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Post by julesd68 on Jul 31, 2022 21:02:08 GMT
I'll tell you what makes me laugh - the notion that if two amplifiers measure the same and are 'audibly transparent', they must sound exactly the same and the only reason they won't is your own bias and preconceptions. Your hearing must be flawed, of course ...
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Post by MartinT on Jul 31, 2022 21:07:13 GMT
In my experience, everything sounds different if you listen for long enough.
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Post by John on Aug 1, 2022 9:36:52 GMT
I have been thinking of my recent experience with Loudspeakers, many well reviewed and measure well. All sounded different and only one I liked enough to purchase. I however believe other people would prefer a different presentation to me as my ears have a familiarity with the openness of open baffles and most people do not have this as a experience or preference. I have no idea how you measure for that kind of preference in sound and certainty even if you could I would have no idea what I was looking for. I do know what I hear for myself and understand my own pretences.
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Post by ajski2fly on Aug 1, 2022 9:56:49 GMT
I have been thinking of my recent experience with Loudspeakers, many well reviewed and measure well. All sounded different and only one I liked enough to purchase. I however believe other people would prefer a different presentation to me as my ears have a familiarity with the openness of open baffles and most people do not have this as a experience or preference. I have no idea how you measure for that kind of preference in sound and certainty even if you could I would have no idea what I was looking for. I do know what I hear for myself and understand my own pretences. All that matters is that you like what your system sounds like. Also the longer you listen to a system the more you brain gets used to how it sounds. I have been through several speakers and amplifier combinations over the past 7 years. I now realise that I was very close to what my system now sounds like about 5 years ago, I just needed to go to a slightly better pair of Wilson Benesch speakers with the Meridian amp I had at the time, but no I went a different route only to come back to a similar SQ SS amp with the WB Vectors I should have got 5 years ago . Is it the perfect system, is there such a thing, I doubt it? Do I enjoy my listening experience, yes, will I change the system, hopefully not, it would be a too painful exercise, I just listen and enjoy the music.
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Post by MartinT on Aug 1, 2022 10:30:48 GMT
Back to the opening post question, I would say that measurements can help, or hinder, or just plain mislead. They need careful interpretation if they are to be truly helpful but in many (most) cases they just cannot provide any kind of indication as to how the component will sound.
This was encapsulated for me by a Facebook group I joined very briefly a few years ago. They professed to be about "just components, no foo". As soon as I started talking about a regenerator, the objectivists all went on the attack and the forum manager demanded to know what possible difference a regenerator could make because "all well designed power supplies can easily cope" blah, blah, we've heard it all repeated a hundred times before.
They wanted measurements, so I gave it back to them. I asked "what measurement would you recommend that tells me what soundstage depth perception I can expect from a component?" Well, that raised the blood pressure to boiling and they threatened to throw me out. I quickly left.
Measurements don't adequately tell the whole story.
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Post by Slinger on Aug 1, 2022 12:35:47 GMT
What Do Measurements in HiFi Tell You ? Mostly that somebody is spending far too much time with oscilliscopes and meters and not enough time with their gramophone.
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Post by ajski2fly on Aug 1, 2022 13:17:27 GMT
Yes, measurements can give you guide as to what expect, but synergy between components and how it sounds to your ears in the room you are using is what is important.
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