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Post by Slinger on May 4, 2023 14:59:26 GMT
Wishing you well, Paul, with your new build but I'd prefer being dipped in shite then set on fire to using Windows 11... No. Don't hold back. Say what you mean.   W11 is a necessary evil these days. Support for W10 will taper off over the next couple of years, and I wouldn't mind betting that the next version of Windoze (remember when Windows 10 was going to be the final version of Windows, ever, according to MicrShaft?) will only be available as an upgrade if you're already running 11, and 10 will turn into a complete dead end. I've already got W11 running on a laptop, and it seems relatively harmless to me. The trick is, I feel, to turn off most of the " handholding" elements, along with the " we're going to send all those details about you home to Redmond now," bits, as long as you're comfortable doing that, and I am. |
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Post by nicholas on May 4, 2023 15:08:00 GMT
I only used Windows 11 once on a friends PC and was shocked at how radically file management had changed for the worse.
But the light at the end of the proverbial tunnel might be to monkey around with its settings to tame its confusing initial presentation.
Personally, I've never purchased a PC, always preferring to build my own with the best available components. Rewarding in so many ways and helpful in understanding problem diagnosis when one comes along.
Again, good luck and Godspeed...
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Post by MartinT on May 4, 2023 16:54:52 GMT
LOL - happy Windows 11 user here  Oh, and a lot of the 'missing' context-sensitive menus have returned after much shouting. Now tabbed File Explorer and a proper command terminal take things suitably forward. I do wish Microsoft would stop with their customer clinics populated with morons. |
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Post by nicholas on May 4, 2023 17:16:08 GMT
LOL - happy Windows 11 user here Oh, and a lot of the 'missing' context-sensitive menus have returned after much shouting. Now tabbed File Explorer and a proper command terminal take things suitably forward. I do wish Microsoft would stop with their customer clinics populated with morons. Good to know that MS has changed W11 in some respects. I'll have to give it another look... |
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Post by MikeMusic on May 5, 2023 8:55:26 GMT
Big reason to keep off the leading edge
Wait for it to develop in the real world
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Post by Tim on May 5, 2023 8:56:39 GMT
Good to know that MS has changed W11 in some respects. I'll have to give it another look... They have changed a lot . . . the telemetry is off the scale now compared to 10. I do like how it looks mind you, it's a very polished OS.
I guess most people don't care, but what many won't know is that even if you don't use Edge browser it still runs in the background gathering data and sending it back to not only MS, but a lot of other sources too. I'm just not comfortable with that - I want my Personal Computer to be as 'personal' as it can be - hard I know once you connect to the internet, but I'd rather be part of the Linux community than the MS one.
I used to be a Windows fan, but not so much these days, I've pretty much switched over to Linux (LMDE 5) completely but will keep a bare install Windows 10 machine with an anonymous local account and nothing on it except games, Linux can do everything I need now, but for gaming Windows still has the edge. It actually works out well for me, my Linux daily driver is completely silent and low powered using about 20% the power of my Windows machine at idle, when gaming that gap is much bigger, over 350W compared to about 30W for the Linux box. Seemed wasteful having a beefy gaming machine on just for web browsing and seeing what the nutters are up to in here.
I didn't blow my old Corsair PSU up either Slinger, it's now totally silent with it's new fan |
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Post by Slinger on May 5, 2023 12:54:53 GMT
I'm happy to hear that the old PSU has been resurrected, Tim, even if it is a bit late for Easter. It's interesting, what you said about Edge, especially as it's built on Chrome. I makes me wonder what Chrome might be phoning home, and to who. And by " who" I obviously mean Google. I'm currently trialling Chrome's " Canary," browser, which is an early-release, experimental version of Chrome that's recommended only for advanced testing. Yeah!!! Gimme that bleeding edge browser shit. It seems fairly stable for an unstable browser, but apparently it " breaks" at least once a month, so I have that to look forward to. In the mean time, I may shop around for a browser that will be a bit more conservative with my data. |
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Post by Tim on May 5, 2023 13:25:31 GMT
Yes, there's a lot going on under the hood of W11. If you use Microsoft's own tool Process Monitor, you can delve a lot deeper than task manager and see what's active. Without Edge even running you can see where it's sending and receiving data from and the IP addresses, a quick Who is lookup and I was surprised to see it wasn't always just Microsoft. You can stop it and turn it off from running in the background, but you have to go digging for that and the next feature update turns it back on. I don't know how many times I've uninstalled Edge, only to have it reappear.
The irony is Edge is actually a really good browser, but I really object to being force fed anything - it should be my choice. I wish MS would make available a bloat free minimal Windows OS like LTSC to ordinary folk. I'd happily pay for that rather than have a free OS full of bloat and data gathering telemetry, it's not just intrusive but it really slows a system down. That's one thing you really notice about Linux, just how fast it is compared to Windows on the same hardware.
Ho hum.
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Post by MartinT on May 5, 2023 14:10:13 GMT
I turn most of the telemetry and personally targeted advertising off.
If I really want privacy, I use InPrivate sessions.
I really don't care much about data gathering, and it's no more aggressive than Apple or Google. I do care about browser performance and ease of use and, in this regard, Edge is even better than Chrome because of its MS integration and sync.
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Post by Slinger on May 5, 2023 14:16:12 GMT
I'd happily pay for that rather than have a free OS full of bloat and data gathering telemetry... But, of course, if they weren't gathering and selling your data they would charge boatloads of money for the privilege. That's Micro$haft's business model. |
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Post by Tim on May 5, 2023 16:12:52 GMT
I turn most of the telemetry and personally targeted advertising off. So do I Martin, but my view is I shouldn't have to and it shouldn't be the default - but each to their own, I'm just not in tune with the way MS have changed their core values so I've gone elsewhere. I think it's an infringement of a basic human right and I'm not Ok with that and never will be, but others are or don't care, which is their choice. As soon as they started giving Windows away as a free upgrade it all changed for me, as it's not free and I would rather pay for it and have more control, but we'll never agree old bean  |
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Post by Tim on May 9, 2023 18:57:39 GMT
How's the build coming Slinger . . . . will you be all done before Windows 12 arrives - it's coming apparently.
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Post by MartinT on May 9, 2023 19:31:02 GMT
Windows 12 will be "no sh1ts given, this will NOT run on old unsafe hardware".
I hope so, it's the best chance for a truly secure OS, although 11 is pretty good.
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Post by Slinger on May 9, 2023 20:25:21 GMT
How's the build coming Slinger . . . . will you be all done before Windows 12 arrives - it's coming apparently. That'll be started tomorrow, or the day after, depending on Amazon. As I said the other day, remember the big fanfare from Micro$oft when they launced Win10, the FINAL version of Windoze?  |
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Post by Tim on May 9, 2023 20:46:17 GMT
Ah, parts still on the way, nearly there it sounds like. Haha, yup I do remember that . . . . Windows 10 is the final version for me though. I've got a clean fresh W10 22H2 install on a dual boot test machine, so if I need it it's there. 22H2 has no more feature updates, just servicing, so it should remain the same. I've imaged it too, so it can stay lean and mean I've settled on Linux Mint Debian Edition for my daily driver. Been a bit if a chore deciding as there are so many different distributions, interesting learning exercise though. |
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Post by Slinger on May 9, 2023 20:55:31 GMT
I'm actually waiting for a new little table to build it on, one that's a lot more stable than the one I was going to use. I've managed to bump it a couple of times lately (getting clumsy in my old age) and it's unceremoniously dumped my Chromebook on the floor. Time for a change. I've put the two M2 drives in the mobo, but that's about it so far.
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Post by Tim on May 9, 2023 21:01:36 GMT
Definitely need a decent workspace Hang on, there's a video I found the other day from the Linux Foundation . . . . I'll see if I can find it? Sometimes my desk looks not too dissimilar! |
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Post by Tim on May 9, 2023 21:13:16 GMT
I can beat his whisky collection though  |
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Post by Slinger on May 9, 2023 21:13:46 GMT
That's a Hell of a desk. I've just got the one 27" monitor and a completely different mess. I've got way too much invested in Windoze software to change now; Photoshop, My 3D modelling software, plus all of my recording studio software and associated instruments, and I'm talking thousands there and thet's just off the top of my head. |
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Post by Tim on May 9, 2023 22:10:42 GMT
Very hard for you to switch then, as it is for most. In fact the two most often quoted issues as stumbling blocks are Photoshop and Microsoft Office, if you're invested in those, especially Office macro's, it's a bit of a non starter unless you're a real glutton for punishment. It's possible but why would you? It's not easy for me either, been invested in Windows since 3.11, but I'm determined . . . . hopefully I'll stay the course  |
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