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Post by Tim on Apr 20, 2023 13:56:48 GMT
Now you're really making me feel like the poor relation with my MSI B450 Mortar Max motherboard!
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Post by Slinger on Apr 20, 2023 14:11:29 GMT
Well, I'm currently using a Z270 Gaming Pro Carbon on this machine, with an i7-7700 3.60 GHz (not overclockable) processor, and 32Gb of memory, so I needed to push things a bit, as it's got to last me quite a while.
We do seem to have the same liking for MSI, as well as Corsair though, not to mention a similar taste in graphics cards. My liquid cooler for the PSU is also Corsair btw, and I'm also using Corsair AF120 Air Series case fans.
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Post by Tim on Apr 20, 2023 14:27:29 GMT
We must do our research in the same places  But I do only use Noctua coolers and fans, not an AIO guy . . . . yet! I'm just weighing up buying the new passive Noctua cooler (NH-P1) for my Linux box, it'll be 100% passive, totally silent with no fans and all SSD. |
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Post by MartinT on Apr 20, 2023 14:55:22 GMT
Tomahawk sounds better than Gaming Plus Max, too  |
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Post by Tim on Apr 20, 2023 14:56:42 GMT
Tomahawk sounds better than Gaming Plus Max, too Hahaha, true dat |
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Post by Slinger on Apr 20, 2023 15:16:49 GMT
For some reason I have a single Noctua NF-P12 fan in my "box 'o' bits"  I've no doubt it'll go in the build somewhere. According to Amazon, I ordered it at the same time as I ordered my Corsair AF120 Air Series fans and a 5-way fan hub, but I don't remember doing it.  |
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Post by MartinT on Apr 20, 2023 15:43:30 GMT
Have you warned the local neighbourhood of dimming lights when you power up this monster?
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Post by Slinger on Apr 20, 2023 18:51:51 GMT
Have you warned the local neighbourhood of dimming lights when you power up this monster? Hey! I'm only using a 750W PSU you know.  |
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Post by Tim on Apr 20, 2023 19:02:29 GMT
Hey! I'm only using a 750W PSU you know. That wouldn't even get Martin's power regen farm going, let alone warm up his fuses  |
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Post by Slinger on Apr 22, 2023 21:28:02 GMT
Opinions. please.
As my new mobo has a slot for an M2 SSD, would I be better off buying a suitable M2 drive (and sacrificing the 1Tb SATA SSD I already have) for the OS installation? I can pick up a suitable "well-known-brandname" 1Tb / 3500 MB per second, drive for between forty and fifty quid, or a 500Gb / 5000 MB per second drive for around the same money. Out in front at the moment is the 500Gb Seagate FireCuda 520. I actually put one of those in my Win11 laptop (I ordered a Barracuda and they sent me a FireCuda by mistake. Result!), and it performs very well.
Funds are a bit tight at the moment, but would the benefits of an M2 drive be a worthwhile investment?
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Post by MartinT on Apr 22, 2023 22:48:46 GMT
You really can't beat a Samsung 980 Pro M.2 NVMe PCIE4.0 SSD at any sensible money.
Frighteningly fast compared with using SATA. I've heard about the FireCuda but, having used a few Samsung SSDs, I would stick with the latter.
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Post by Tim on Apr 23, 2023 7:16:35 GMT
I wouldn't use anything other than an NVMe for an OS drive now Slinger, I've a number of them. 2TB one in my music server which has the OS and all my FLAC files, another 2TB in my media server for the projector and a 500 for the main PC. I've a few others too. I just use SATA SSD for storage now.
I used to use only Samsung like Martin, but lately I've been buying Crucial, the 2 x 2TB ones are Crucial and they were on offer recently on Amazon for 90 quid.
Definitely recommended and I doubt you'd go back to SATA for an OS drive once you try one.
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Post by Slinger on Apr 23, 2023 12:18:12 GMT
Thanks for confirming what I pretty much knew, guys. I shall investigate M2 2280 drives further, this afternoon.
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Post by Slinger on Apr 23, 2023 15:45:52 GMT
The first stumbling block, the FireCudas are PCIe Gen 4, and the mobo has a PCIe Gen 3 slot. No problems with compatibility, but I'd end up with a drive that was being bottlenecked as far as bandwidth goes. Gen 3X4 runs at 4 Gb/s, while Gen 4x4 doubles that to 8 GB/s. It's tempting to "futureproof" but by the time I build my next new PC I'm hoping technology will have advanced even further ...should I live that long. . I was, briefly, tempted by an MSI drive, which would have matched the mobo, but it looked to be very slow in comparison to ...well ...everything else. That brought it down to 3 choices, WD Blue, A Lexar, or a Crucial P3. A Crucial P3 1TB PCIe M.2 2280 SSD was ordered, direct from Crucial, for the huge sum of £43.68. As an aside, I could have bought a Gen 3 FireCuda, but they were up to five times the price of the Gen 4 drives.  |
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Post by Tim on Apr 23, 2023 18:30:46 GMT
I've been very pleased with my Crucial P3 drives, I'll be buying more too.
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Post by MartinT on Apr 23, 2023 20:33:06 GMT
You guys do know you can use a PCIE 4 drive on a PCIE 3 mobo?
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Post by Slinger on Apr 23, 2023 20:48:21 GMT
You guys do know you can use a PCIE 4 drive on a PCIE 3 mobo? That's why I led with " The first stumbling block, the FireCudas are PCIe Gen 4, and the mobo has a PCIe Gen 3 slot. No problems with compatibility, but I'd end up with a drive that was being bottlenecked as far as bandwidth goes." |
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Post by Tim on Apr 24, 2023 7:49:58 GMT
You guys do know you can use a PCIE 4 drive on a PCIE 3 mobo? My pockets aren't as deep as yours Martin. £90 vs £160 for a 2TB Crucial Gen 4 - Samsung 2TB Gen 4.0 is £170 - no point either for a music server or media server for films. |
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Post by MartinT on Apr 24, 2023 11:53:01 GMT
Sorry both, I thought it might need clarification. The only bottleneck is the PCIE 3 limits, it will work as fast as a PCIE 3 SSD.
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Post by Slinger on Apr 24, 2023 12:00:06 GMT
Sorry both, I thought it might need clarification. The only bottleneck is the PCIE 3 limits, it will work as fast as a PCIE 3 SSD. Exactly, so why pay PCIe 4 prices for a card that will be hobbled? Plus, I'd rather put the drive in a slot it's actually designed to work in, despite the backwards (and forwards) compatibility of PCIe. The PCIe4 FireCudas being cheaper than their PCIe 3 incarnation is an oddity I can only guess pertains to remaining stock levels. Elsewhere, as Tim says, you're simply paying more for the same functionsality. |
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I've no doubt it'll go in the build somewhere.
