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Post by ant on Dec 6, 2021 14:10:49 GMT
I think russell leclerc and noris if competitive with red bull wont back out,leclerc especially. Leclerc after brazil said if the shoving off of the car on the outside was ok under the rules he'd simply adapt to it. He was pretty angry after austria (was it?) 2019 when max barged him off for the lead. He has form for similar tactics himself, look at monza where he ran lewis out of road. I dont think sainz has it in him to be quite so ruthless, hes always been a pretty clean driver to me but norris does, he shoved perez off in austria this year iirc. Perez did it back to him, perez got penalised twice and norris once in that race for the same thing max has gone unpunished for most of the season. I think george will not give an inch either. Hes used to scrapping with the masters alonso seb and kimi
Hopefully mclaren and ferrari are competitive with merc and rb next year having a top eight of lewis and george, checo and max, carlos and charles, and lando and danny ric would be brilliant.
To be honest ive tried to be as neutral as possible this year, i was loving the max v lewis fight, they have pushed each other so hard but after jeddah i hope max doesnt win. Hes gone too far for me too many times now this year. He is incredibly talented without a doubt but his thinki g on what is fair racing doesnt sit well with me.
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Post by speedysteve on Dec 6, 2021 14:35:41 GMT
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Post by MartinT on Dec 6, 2021 14:43:05 GMT
He is incredibly talented without a doubt but his thinki g on what is fair racing doesnt sit well with me. Echoes of Schumacher?
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Post by ant on Dec 6, 2021 17:03:44 GMT
Not really, i think schumacher was very calculated in everything he did wheras max just doesnt seem to care about the rules and has a just do it and sod the consequences attitude
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Post by MartinT on Dec 11, 2021 17:42:21 GMT
Tomorrow is going to be the race of the decade - I hope. Verstappen got a tow from Perez but is on softs. Hamilton did not get a tow but is 2nd on mediums. Will Verstappen get away faster but Hamilton catch him up and get the overcut when Verstappen pits? Or will it end in carnage?
Qualifying times 1 Max Verstappen Red Bull 1:22.109 2 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:22.480 3 Lando Norris McLaren 1:22.931 4 Sergio Perez Red Bull 1:22.947 5 Carlos Sainz Ferrari 1:22.992 6 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 1:23.036 7 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 1:23.122 8 Yuki Tsunoda AlphAtauri 1:23.220 9 Esteban Ocon Alpine 1:23.389 10 Daniel Ricciardo McLaren 1:23.409 11 Fernando Alonso Alpine 1:23.460 12 Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri 1:24.043 13 Lance Stroll Aston Martin 1:24.066 14 Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo Racing 1:24.251 15 Sebastian Vettel Aston Martin 1:24.305 16 Nicholas Latifi Williams 1:24.338 17 George Russell Williams 1:24.423 18 Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo Racing 1:24.779 19 Mick Schumacher Haas 1:24.906 20 Nikita Mazepin Haas 1:25.685
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Post by speedysteve on Dec 11, 2021 19:56:29 GMT
Post qually interview
What a nice guy Max is - when he's winning 🙂
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Post by speedysteve on Dec 12, 2021 14:37:09 GMT
Well that was eventful.
Have to think it’s what will get better ratings for the future. That’s what’s driving F1.
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Post by MartinT on Dec 12, 2021 15:23:41 GMT
So it went down to the final lap in what seemed to be a safety car manufactured to favour Verstappen after an unfortunate crash by Latifi. Congrats to Verstappen, gutted for Hamilton. It was a hell of a season and will not be forgotten soon. The partisan fans will rage but F1 has won in providing some much needed excitement.
Roll on next season with a new formula and 18" wheels.
Race classification
1 Max Verstappen Red Bull 2 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 2.256s 3 Carlos Sainz Ferrari 5.173s 4 Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri 5.692s 5 Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri 6.531s 6 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 7.463s 7 Lando Norris McLaren 59.200s 8 Fernando Alonso Alpine 61.708s 9 Esteban Ocon Alpine 64.026s 10 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 66.057s 11 Sebastian Vettel Aston Martin 67.527s 12 Daniel Ricciardo McLaren 1 LAP 13 Lance Stroll Aston Martin 1 LAP 14 Mick Schumacher Haas 1 LAP
Did not finish
Sergio Perez Red Bull Nicholas Latifi Williams crash Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo gearbox George Russell Williams Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo brakes
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Post by speedysteve on Dec 12, 2021 15:39:24 GMT
Well, that was eventful.
Have to think it’s what will get better ratings for the future🙂 That’s what’s driving F1.
Merc pressured in to conservative running the whole time, due to being down on wins and Max's mad overtakes.
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Post by Slinger on Dec 12, 2021 16:11:51 GMT
I have to be honest, I gave up watching F1 many years ago, after being a real fan for a long time, from the days of Jackie Stewart, and Emerson Fittipaldi, and later on Hunt the Shunt of course. Sunday nights were always spent in the pub discussing the afternoon's race when the season was on. When the scales tipped from tyre changes helping drivers to win races to tyre changes winning races my interest waned. I still keep in touch, peripherally, with what's going on, but it's more of an academic interest these days, and I've got nowhere near the depth of knowledge I used to have about the sport. As an outsider though, watching this season unfold, there seemed to be a degree of " stage management" to proceedings, and if I were Hamilton I'd probably be mighty pissed about now. What made today's race special, in that it was the only one where some lapped cars were allowed to unlap themselves under the safety car, for instance? As Lando Norris said... I'm not going to scream " fix" because there are far too many variables to definitively fix a race if the teams themselves are playing by the rules, but at the back of my mind there's still the nagging thought that it was deemed better for the sport if Hamilton took a year off from winning, and a new young superstar was introduced to the public. Having said all that, I find it difficult to excuse F1 for staging races in so many places with poor to downright nonexistent human rights laws. Like most sports, it's all about the money, and that's literally all that matters. There are no other considerations whatsoever. Mercedes have, needless to say, lodged an appeal. Could there be one more twist to the story? Nah, probably not, it'll just look like Verstappen has won it twice.
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Post by MartinT on Dec 12, 2021 16:22:05 GMT
I do think Michael Masi has some explaining to do.
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Post by ant on Dec 12, 2021 17:00:32 GMT
I listened to the radio coverage rather than watching the race, i dont really like listening to coulthard... I didnt know that the safety car regs had not been followed. As far as i understand it, under the safety car all lapped cars are to pass the safety car, go around, and form up in order at the back of the pack. There is then one final safety car lap when the safety car peels off into the pits and racing gets going again once the leader passes the safety car line. To only allow a handful of cars past and then get racing while those handful are still on the same lap without forming up is utterly ludicrous. Its a safety car. The procedure is there to prevent accidents. Its procedures are set in stone. How can the fia justify breaking its own rules? It just beggars belief that mercedes even have a case to take to them, which unless my understanding is wrong, they do have a case for the fia to answer. Utterly shambolic and a massive disservice to both lewis and max, and merc and rbr
Formula 1 looks like a right set of twats this evening
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Post by Slinger on Dec 12, 2021 18:49:53 GMT
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Post by Slinger on Dec 12, 2021 18:50:55 GMT
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Post by Slinger on Dec 12, 2021 18:52:56 GMT
First of two protests dismissed, decision pending on cars unlapping under safety car.
Mercedes lodge protest over safety car - teams are meeting with stewards.
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Post by Slinger on Dec 12, 2021 18:58:56 GMT
Posted at 18:55 'Really unsatisfactory'
Jennie Gow BBC Radio 5 live pit-lane reporter
This is fascinating now. Mercedes and Red Bull will be told the decision jointly.
Then they will come out and hopefully we will all hear what they have to say.
The world's media is waiting to hear the same result and they all say the same thing - this is really unsatisfactory.
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Post by Slinger on Dec 12, 2021 19:05:57 GMT
This stuff is more exciting than the race itself. Gary Rose
Posted at 19:01 Mercedes are first out of the meeting with the stewards... Red Bull's Christian Horner: " There will be a verdict in the next few minutes."
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Post by MartinT on Dec 12, 2021 19:06:22 GMT
Yep, just saw it, not surprised.
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Post by robbiegong on Dec 12, 2021 19:17:16 GMT
They were never going to change a thing, never. money talks, change of guard. Nearly half of Holland at every F1 race, equalling big money that they want to guarantee keeping and carry forward / increase by giving them a champion to now follow - stinks! As I say, money talks
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Post by stanleyb on Dec 13, 2021 9:29:32 GMT
Maybe the drivers should now ask in advance who the FIA has decided is the winner. F1 is now a traveling circus designed primarily to white wash the image of human rights abusing regimes. The winner is decided in advance and the race manipulated accordingly.
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