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Post by julesd68 on Nov 29, 2023 12:16:49 GMT
I note that Maestro comes to Netflix on December 20 - I will wait for that as don't feel the cinema will bring a huge amount to the experience.
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Post by Tim on Nov 29, 2023 13:07:08 GMT
I note that Maestro comes to Netflix on December 20 - I will wait for that as don't feel the cinema will bring a huge amount to the experience. That was my thought, I can fast forward through the sappy mush and just play the Mahler 2! Not really that interested in his love life.
It's a hand me down, Spielberg was doing it and thought no, palmed it off to Scorsese (or vice versa) who also decided no thanks and it ended up with Bradley Cooper and Netflix. That's not to say it won't be good, just not my type of film. It sounds like it'll be a 'popcorn movie' which is probably perfect for a Netflix audience. From memory BFI said it was good on the man, but disappointingly vague on the music.
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Post by julesd68 on Nov 29, 2023 13:41:16 GMT
I note that Maestro comes to Netflix on December 20 - I will wait for that as don't feel the cinema will bring a huge amount to the experience. That was my thought, I can fast forward through the sappy mush and just play the Mahler 2! Not really that interested in his love life.
It's a hand me down, Spielberg was doing it and thought no, palmed it off to Scorsese (or vice versa) who also decided no thanks and it ended up with Bradley Cooper and Netflix. That's not to say it won't be good, just not my type of film. It sounds like it'll be a 'popcorn movie' which is probably perfect for a Netflix audience. From memory BFI said it was good on the man, but disappointingly vague on the music.
In spite of his achievements I'm not sure that Leonard Bernstein is typical Netflix fare or popcorn movie fodder - I don't think the film will have a mass audience appeal beyond those who are interested in the music and man.
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Post by Tim on Nov 29, 2023 14:19:00 GMT
In spite of his achievements I'm not sure that Leonard Bernstein is typical Netflix fare or popcorn movie fodder I agree . . . we'll see I guess. But I think your average Netflix punter will be watching it because it's a love story starring Bradley Cooper and Carey Mulligan . . . Leonard who?
I would have much preferred to have Scorsese direct it, Bradley Cooper is Bradley Cooper.
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Post by MartinT on Nov 29, 2023 15:24:54 GMT
Bradley Cooper received a lot of praise from family members, for what it's worth.
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Post by rfan8312 on Nov 29, 2023 15:26:42 GMT
It's not doomed to failure I guess - Fede Álvarez directed the rather excellent Don't Breathe ... I'd see it for director Fede Alvarez alone. His Evil Dead remake was awesome. Dont Breathe is excellent. I saw Don't Breath 2 in theaters 3 times. Very glad to hear Romulus (stoked about this one) is from Fede Alvarez.
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Post by julesd68 on Nov 29, 2023 18:32:19 GMT
It's not doomed to failure I guess - Fede Álvarez directed the rather excellent Don't Breathe ... I'd see it for director Fede Alvarez alone. His Evil Dead remake was awesome. Many thanks Robert - I will never look at an electric carving knife in the same way.
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Post by Tim on Nov 30, 2023 9:02:24 GMT
Bradley Cooper received a lot of praise from family members, for what it's worth. Yes, I've seen that. You might be misunderstanding me, I'm not saying I think Bradley Cooper isn't a good director or actor, quite the contrary, he does what he does really well. What I'm saying is it'll be a 'Bradley Cooper film' which will appeal to a certain type of audience, regardless of the subject matter, because he's Bradley Cooper. Directors like all artists have their own style, assuming they're allowed to express it, which he is normally as he's extremely competent. Hopefully that makes sense?
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Post by julesd68 on Nov 30, 2023 12:16:04 GMT
Bradley Cooper received a lot of praise from family members, for what it's worth. Yes, I've seen that. You might be misunderstanding me, I'm not saying I think Bradley Cooper isn't a good director or actor, quite the contrary, he does what he does really well. What I'm saying is it'll be a 'Bradley Cooper film' which will appeal to a certain type of audience, regardless of the subject matter, because he's Bradley Cooper. Directors like all artists have their own style, assuming they're allowed to express it, which he is normally as he's extremely competent. Hopefully that makes sense? Classical music can be a big turn off for so many people sadly, as we know. I think this film will purely appeal to those who are interested in Bernstein and the music - I don't think punters will watch expecting a cosy BC love story ...
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Post by Tim on Nov 30, 2023 13:10:48 GMT
I think this film will purely appeal to those who are interested in Bernstein and the music Well l guess it had to happen one day . . . . normally I would completely or mostly agree with pretty much all your posts Jules, but I can't say I agree with that - hopefully the engagement is still on though I think it'll be very popular and potential Oscar bait, you might be underestimating Bradley's appeal, especially in the US. If it had just been a cinema release I'd be inclined to agree, but going almost immediately to Netflix, especially over Christmas is going to give it a lot of exposure. I'd wager all the A Star is Born fans are going to watch it and there's a fair few of those. I might be wrong, who knows. It'll be interesting to see how many bums on seats it gets at the art house I go to, it starts tomorrow. I might even go now as it won't cost me anything and it'll be easier for me to see there than on Netflix, as I don't have a subscription . . . but l won't be able to fast forward or walk out if I'm not enjoying it. I might take one for the team!
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Post by julesd68 on Nov 30, 2023 13:43:04 GMT
LOL!! I may have completely underestimated the appeal of this film Tim, I’d have thought most of the Star is Born types to turn their noses up about some dead classical music dude. I will be very happy to be proved wrong though and it will be an interesting cultural 'barometer' in the USA (and elsewhere) to see what kind of box office it does. I would expect it to do pretty well over parts of Europe where this kind of music is strongly supported. Perhaps it can pull in the older audience who revere Bernstein for what he was, and a younger audience who love Bradley. That would be the best outcome. Go on, I think you should see it Tim, it will be interesting to hear your opinion.
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Post by MartinT on Nov 30, 2023 15:04:03 GMT
Don't forget the West Side Story generation, quite apart from classical followers.
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Post by Tim on Dec 2, 2023 14:30:51 GMT
Go on, I think you should see it Tim, it will be interesting to hear your opinion.
Well I took one for the team, I'll let it sit awhile first before sharing my thoughts.
What I can say though, you absolutely don't need to see it in a cinema and it's a bit of a stretch calling it Maestro - it would have been more appropriate to have called Tár Maestro and this one should be called Mr & Mrs Bernstein or just The Bernstein's. I get why the Bernstein family like it, it's about them!
All IMHO of course
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Post by julesd68 on Dec 2, 2023 17:14:07 GMT
Go on, I think you should see it Tim, it will be interesting to hear your opinion.
Well I took one for the team, I'll let it sit awhile first before sharing my thoughts.
What I can say though, you absolutely don't need to see it in a cinema and it's a bit of a stretch calling it Maestro - it would have been more appropriate to have called Tár Maestro and this one should be called Mr & Mrs Bernstein or just The Bernstein's. I get why the Bernstein family like it, it's about them!
All IMHO of course "Tár Maestro" Ouch!! Good job Tim, we all appreciate your stoic heroism. Cogitate and deliberate a little more and give us your fully considered verdict!
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Post by Tim on Dec 2, 2023 21:21:24 GMT
Mr. & Mrs. Bernstein (aka Maestro) 2023 - 2h 9m Not the type of film I’d normally go for, but it’s certainly not terrible, just not my thing. I did however get exactly what I was expecting – a well acted, well directed, beautifully shot and zero intellectually stimulating Bradley Cooper film. I’ll get the don't likes out of the way first. It’s got very little meat on the bone concerning Bernstein and his music, even less than I was hoping for. There’s about 15 minutes of ‘music focused’ material and in that you get 6 minutes of pure passion, drama and triumph, with a superb single take scene of a Mahler performance. This is really good, but 6 minutes! It also sits there with little explanation, either before or after. The remaining 110 minutes or so are about the relationship with his wife, his boyfriends and family (in that order). This became very tedious and I started checking my watch around 90m. As a film for either general music lovers or lovers of classical music, Tár is far more satisfying IMO, which is ironic as Lydia Tár is a fictional character. Maestro is a romantic relationship drama about a musician, rather than an incisive musical drama about a musician and his relationships. If you like it that way around great, if you're expecting 2+ hours of what made Bernstein tick, his achievements, or the musical world he lived in, you’ll likely be underwhelmed and might be left feeling a bit cheated with a title like Maestro. Likes: It’s a very well made film technically. The time line progression is well paced, the cinematography is good and I really liked the shot composition and camera blocking. So as a piece of cinema, it’s well crafted. The two central performances are very good – Cooper is completely convincing as Bernstein and I happily bought into that and never really thought I was watching Bradley Cooper, it might even get him a best actor nomination, we’ll see? Bradley Cooper's make-up is extraordinarily good, which really helps you believe in the character. Another nomination coming there I fancy. And finally, as mentioned, you don’t need to see this in a cinema – the only scene that warrants that, is the 6 minutes of him conducting Mahler, so hardly worth it. It’s actually like a series of montages taken from his musical career, woven into the trajectory of his traumatic personal life, which is very firmly front and centre. Does it pass the ‘would I watch it again’ test? No. Overall it’s fine, just don’t expect any insight into Bernstein as a musician. I can summarise all the above into one short sentence “It’s an okay Netflix film” and you can have some popcorn to hand as well
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Post by julesd68 on Dec 3, 2023 15:14:44 GMT
Thanks Tim - it's a shame there doesn't appear to be more insight into the performances.
I've certainly tempered my expectations and will wait for the Netflix release.
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Post by julesd68 on Dec 3, 2023 15:18:12 GMT
The original Girl With Dragon Tattoo was a superb film, no doubt.
I watched the David Fincher remake last night as I couldn't remember seeing it. It's a good, but not exceptional film. Rooney Mara is by far the best thing about it. The opening title sequence promises a super stylish film but I think that's what I was somewhat disappointed by. Given the locations and interiors it's not as memorable visually as it should have been and the cinematography could have given it a stronger look.
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Post by Slinger on Dec 3, 2023 15:23:48 GMT
The original Girl With Dragon Tattoo was a superb film, no doubt. I watched the David Fincher remake last night as I couldn't remember seeing it. It's a good, but not exceptional film. Rooney Mara is by far the best thing about it. The opening title sequence promises a super stylish film but I think that's what I was somewhat disappointed by. Given the locations and interiors it's not as memorable visually as it should have been and the cinematography could have given it a stronger look. Do you think, if you'd seen it first, and hadn't had the superior original to contrast it with, you might have thought better of it, Jules?
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Post by julesd68 on Dec 3, 2023 15:30:11 GMT
The original Girl With Dragon Tattoo was a superb film, no doubt. I watched the David Fincher remake last night as I couldn't remember seeing it. It's a good, but not exceptional film. Rooney Mara is by far the best thing about it. The opening title sequence promises a super stylish film but I think that's what I was somewhat disappointed by. Given the locations and interiors it's not as memorable visually as it should have been and the cinematography could have given it a stronger look. Do you think, if you'd seen it first, and hadn't had the superior original to contrast it with, you might have thought better of it, Jules? That's quite likely Paul because I haven't read the book and the story would have connected even more with me if I hadn't seen the original first. But I'm not letting Fincher off because he can do much more in terms of the visuals than he did in this film.
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Post by Slinger on Dec 3, 2023 15:38:53 GMT
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