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Post by MartinT on Oct 7, 2020 8:49:56 GMT
Driver Merrygoround (a recap)...
Sainz moves to Ferrari
Ricciardo moves to McLaren
Vettel moves to Racing Point / Aston Martin
Alonso returns to Renault / Alpine
Perez moves to Haas?
Mick Schumacher starts at Alfa Romeo?
Any others?
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Post by jachawk on Oct 8, 2020 10:46:57 GMT
Regarding engine suppliers, i think in the coming years F1 will struggle as manufacturers focus and R&D budgets get eaten up by electric motor and battery development, unfortunately the end is neigh for the internal combustion engine, in the past manufacturers used F1 as a development tool, remember the Ford Zetec engine from the Benneton days, that tech eventually made it's way into Fords production cars, but manufacturers see internal combustion as nearing it's end with government legislation only helping to speed this transition more rapidly so they are less likely to invest multiples of millions of £££s into something that can't be turned into profit down the line, a simple but true fact.
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Post by speedysteve on Oct 8, 2020 11:19:43 GMT
Regarding engine suppliers, i think in the coming years F1 will struggle as manufacturers focus and R&D budgets get eaten up by electric motor and battery development, unfortunately the end is neigh for the internal combustion engine, in the past manufacturers used F1 as a development tool, remember the Ford Zetec engine from the Benneton days, that tech eventually made it's way into Fords production cars, but manufacturers see internal combustion as nearing it's end with government legislation only helping to speed this transition more rapidly so they are less likely to invest multiples of millions of £££s into something that can't be turned into profit down the line, a simple but true fact. Yes, I agree the future will be different. Always hard to predict. |
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Post by jachawk on Oct 8, 2020 11:32:16 GMT
Yes, I agree the future will be different. Always hard to predict. I read that Honda had spent $1B on F1 in their latest stint in the sport, manufacturers need to see the link in what they spend on motorsport development to what they sell / recoup, it's a big number so no wonder why we are down to 3 engine suppliers. Formula E on the other hand are tripping over the amount of manufacturers wanting in on the action. I'm not sure of the set up of the different Formula, if they are all owned by the same company or separate companies, but i can see the merging of F1 and FE in the not so distant future. |
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Post by MartinT on Oct 8, 2020 11:50:43 GMT
Some of the F1 hybrid technology has trickled down into road-going hybrids, probably more on the battery, motor and control electronics side. Having owned a hybrid in the past, it's definitely the way internal combustion engines will go in the final phase of their lives where the motor will provide more of the boost and engines may go towards Atkinson or other highly efficient modes.
I can't really see a new manufacturer entering as an F1 supplier, Honda have served to prove just how difficult it is. Red Bull buying the rights and continuing with the Honda design may just be feasible, but I doubt it.
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 8, 2020 12:45:50 GMT
Maybe a goer in F1, who knows
MotoGP has 3 different classes
Moto2 and Moto3 one engine brand for all bikes. Frames etc free for all
MotoGP - different engine manufacturers. One brand of tyre
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Post by MartinT on Oct 10, 2020 15:56:36 GMT
Not much to say - FP1 and FP2 were washed out by rain. Nico Hulkenberg was parachuted in just for Qualy after Lance Stroll fell sick. Leclerc did fantastically well in the troubled Ferrari.
Times
1 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 1:25.269
2 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 0.256s
3 Max Verstappen Red Bull 0.293s
4 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 0.766s
5 Alex Albon Red Bull 0.778s
6 Daniel Ricciardo Renault 0.954s
7 Esteban Ocon Renault 0.973s
8 Lando Norris McLaren 1.189s
9 Sergio Perez Racing Point 1.435s
10 Carlos Sainz McLaren 1.440s
11 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1:26.738
12 Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri 1:26.776
13 Daniil Kvyat AlphaTauri 1:26.848
14 Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo Racing 1:26.939
15 Kevin Magnussen Haas 1:27.125
16 Romain Grosjean Haas 1:27.552
17 George Russell Williams 1:27.564
18 Nicholas Latifi Williams 1:27.812
19 Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo Racing 1:27.817
20 Nico Hulkenberg Racing Point 1:28.021
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Post by MartinT on Oct 11, 2020 17:00:08 GMT
Not a classic race, but Hamilton once again put pressure on Bottas, who was found wanting (and then eventually had a car problem). Really good to see Ricciardo on the podium and Hulkenberg get some points. Some great driving from Gasly and Leclerc, too.
There was a wonderful moment during the podium interviews where Mick Schumacher presented Hamilton with one of his father's helmets on matching his record 91 Grand Prix wins.
Result
1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2 Max Verstappen Red Bull 4.470s
3 Daniel Ricciardo Renault 14.613s
4 Sergio Perez Racing Point 16.070s
5 Carlos Sainz McLaren 21.905s
6 Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri 22.766s
7 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 30.814s
8 Nico Hulkenberg Racing Point 32.606s
9 Romain Grosjean Haas 39.081s
10 Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo Racing 40.035s
11 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 40.810s
12 Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo Racing 41.476s
13 Kevin Magnussen Haas 49.585s
14 Nicholas Latifi Williams 54.449s
15 Daniil Kvyat2 AlphaTauri 55.588s
Did not finish
Lando Norris McLaren engine
Alex Albon Red Bull engine
Esteban Ocon Renault gearbox
Valtteri Bottas Mercedes engine
George Russell Williams accident
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Post by robbiegong on Oct 11, 2020 19:54:47 GMT
Not a classic race, but Hamilton once again put pressure on Bottas, who was found wanting (and then eventually had a car problem). Really good to see Ricciardo on the podium and Hulkenberg get some points. Some great driving from Gasly and Leclerc, too. There was a wonderful moment during the podium interviews where Mick Schumacher presented Hamilton with one of his father's helmets on matching his record 91 Grand Prix wins. Result 1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 2 Max Verstappen Red Bull 4.470s 3 Daniel Ricciardo Renault 14.613s 4 Sergio Perez Racing Point 16.070s 5 Carlos Sainz McLaren 21.905s 6 Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri 22.766s 7 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 30.814s 8 Nico Hulkenberg Racing Point 32.606s 9 Romain Grosjean Haas 39.081s 10 Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo Racing 40.035s 11 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 40.810s 12 Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo Racing 41.476s 13 Kevin Magnussen Haas 49.585s 14 Nicholas Latifi Williams 54.449s 15 Daniil Kvyat2 AlphaTauri 55.588s Did not finish Lando Norris McLaren engine Alex Albon Red Bull engine Esteban Ocon Renault gearbox Valtteri Bottas Mercedes engine George Russell Williams accident What he said....  |
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Post by speedysteve on Oct 12, 2020 7:32:00 GMT
Nice balancing up of the wrong result last time out. Bottas did that all by himself but then the car decided to give Lewis an even bigger points gap.
Ironic that just as Honda quit they start seeing some Win (come second) on Sunday, Sell on Monday, type results.
Lewis unstoppable when meddling overzealous stewards are reigned in.
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Post by MartinT on Oct 12, 2020 9:21:12 GMT
Lewis unstoppable when meddling overzealous stewards are reigned in. Mind you, they did try. Was that full safety car really necessary when Norris' car was well out of the way? |
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Post by MartinT on Oct 22, 2020 9:01:19 GMT
Driver Merrygoround (a recap)... Sainz moves to Ferrari Ricciardo moves to McLaren Vettel moves to Racing Point / Aston Martin Alonso returns to Renault / Alpine Perez moves to Haas? Mick Schumacher starts at Alfa Romeo? Both Grosjean and Magnussen out from Haas Mazepin starts at Haas Tsunoda starts at AlphaTauri, suggesting that Kvyat is out Question over whether Russell will remain at Williams or be replaced by Perez |
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Post by robbiegong on Oct 23, 2020 14:02:17 GMT
I'd love to see either Perez or the Hulk instead of Albon, but very unlikely to happen  |
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Post by robbiegong on Oct 24, 2020 15:29:33 GMT
Another excellent pole from Hamilton, and again under difficult circumstances / pressure. He always seems to thrive under pressure. Bottas has been on top of all sessions. He must think, what more can I do ?  Who would want LH as a team mate?  .....not me |
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Post by MartinT on Oct 24, 2020 16:21:21 GMT
Agreed, that was an outstanding final effort.
Times
1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:16.652
2 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 0.102s
3 Max Verstappen Red Bull 0.252s
4 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 0.438s
5 Sergio Perez Racing Point 0.571s
6 Alex Albon Red Bull 0.785s
7 Carlos Sainz McLaren 0.868s
8 Lando Norris McLaren 0.873s
9 Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri 1.151s
10 Daniel Ricciardo Renault no time
11 Esteban Ocon Renault 1:17.614
12 Lance Stroll Racing Point 1:17.626
13 Daniil Kvyat AlphaTauri 1:17.728
14 George Russell Williams 1:17.788
15 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1:17.919
16 Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo Racing 1:18.201
17 Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo Racing 1:18.322
18 Romain Grosjean Haas 1:18.364
19 Kevin Magnussen Haas 1:18.508
20 Nicholas Latifi Williams 1:18.777
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Post by MartinT on Oct 25, 2020 16:28:12 GMT
Hamilton rewrites F1 history books with his 92nd win www.planetf1.com/news/race-report-portuguese-gp-2020/Result 1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 2 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 25.592 3 Max Verstappen Red Bull 34.508s 4 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 64.980s 5 Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri 1 LAP 6 Carlos Sainz McLaren 1 LAP 7 Sergio Perez Racing Point 1 LAP 8 Esteban Ocon Renault 1 LAP 9 Daniel Ricciardo Renault 1 LAP 10 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1 LAP 11 Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo Racing 1 LAP 12 Alex Albon Red Bull 1 LAP 13 Lando Norris McLaren 1 LAP 14 George Russell Williams 1 LAP 15 Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo Racing 1 LAP 16 Romain Grosjean Haas 1 LAP 17 Kevin Magnussen Haas 1 LAP 18 Nicholas Latifi Williams 2 LAPS 19 Daniil Kvyat AlphaTauri 2 LAPS Did not finish Lance Stroll Racing Point lap 54 |
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Post by robbiegong on Oct 25, 2020 21:46:58 GMT
Excellent job LH-44 and congratulations on a mammoth achievement.
Poor Bottas seemed a bit baffled as to how it turned out as it did....
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Post by MartinT on Oct 25, 2020 22:49:05 GMT
If only Bottas would on occasion, instead of constantly suggesting that had he done xyz he would have beaten Hamilton, just say "I'm not as good as Lewis, he beat me fair and square", I would have a little more respect for him. He's in good company, along with the rest of the world's population.
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Post by John on Oct 26, 2020 9:18:03 GMT
I don't think I have ever heard any race driver say well he is just better than me
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Post by MartinT on Oct 26, 2020 10:03:13 GMT
Watch Kimi Raikkonen gain an incredible nine places at the race start. This is poetry in motion. He still has the speed!
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