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Post by jandl100 on Dec 5, 2019 8:10:53 GMT
Other benefits it really helped with back issues Fingers crossed it might help you, too, Jules. |
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Post by julesd68 on Dec 5, 2019 10:32:50 GMT
I am already feeling the benefit of being a little slimmer. I have definitely got more energy, and not feeling quite as tired as usual. It just feels more comfortable having a bit less bulk round my waist as well.
The next step for me, as I'm sticking to this diet, will be to combine it with increased exercise. It's one thing to be slim, but I would like to be fit and slim.
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Post by MikeMusic on Dec 5, 2019 10:36:50 GMT
A phrase I use myself ! *Trying* different ways to achieve the end required |
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Post by MikeMusic on Dec 5, 2019 10:37:55 GMT
I am already feeling the benefit of being a little slimmer. I have definitely got more energy, and not feeling quite as tired as usual. It just feels more comfortable having a bit less bulk round my waist as well. The next step for me, as I'm sticking to this diet, will be to combine it with increased exercise. It's one thing to be slim, but I would like to be fit and slim. I've had that. Very nice bonus An upward spiral |
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Post by Tim on Dec 5, 2019 14:46:22 GMT
Anyone checked if their cholesterol has gone down with this kind of dieting? Yes and yes, by 1.8 on LDL. That's not scientific as there were other factors to consider between the two tests I had, but it certainly didn't do any harm! Just losing weight can help lower LDL.
I don't really think of 'Intermittent Fasting' as a diet to be honest as I'm not eating any differently. Is eating at certain times of the day or skipping meals a diet? I don't know, subjective I suppose on what you consider to be dieting. I view it more as giving the body time to heal and repair itself and if you're overweight, use excess fat as food by flicking off the insulin switch. It's amazing how resilient the human body is.
Paul, I very much doubt many would agree it's a matter of the 'cards you are dealt' when it comes to being overweight, especially as it's something we can normally have an element of control over. Tough love here, but that's denial - by being overweight you are stacking the cards in favour of a shorter life with increased health problems and a miserable journey along the way. But that's your choice . . . you can only lead a horse to water.
It is possible, so I urge you not to lose heart and give in to it. But don't look to slimming world or calorie restrictive diets, it's well proven they fail and make the problem worse in the long run - in fact it seems you've proved that yourself?
I don't mean to sound harsh, I'm just 100% convinced you can turn things around.
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Post by julesd68 on Dec 5, 2019 16:35:26 GMT
Anyone checked if their cholesterol has gone down with this kind of dieting? Yes and yes, by 1.8 on LDL. That's not scientific as there were other factors to consider between the two tests I had, but it certainly didn't do any harm! Just losing weight can help lower LDL. Good stuff. Once I have lost 5-10% of body weight I will get both cholesterol and blood sugar measured and see if there has been an improvement. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Dec 5, 2019 16:39:22 GMT
I have blood tests every now and again. Sometimes a 'full' one
Think cholesterol is included and ok
Would blood sugar be as well ?
They are usually looking for other stuff so my focus is on that
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 17:07:39 GMT
Anyone checked if their cholesterol has gone down with this kind of dieting? Yes and yes, by 1.8 on LDL. That's not scientific as there were other factors to consider between the two tests I had, but it certainly didn't do any harm! Just losing weight can help lower LDL.
I don't really think of 'Intermittent Fasting' as a diet to be honest as I'm not eating any differently. Is eating at certain times of the day or skipping meals a diet? I don't know, subjective I suppose on what you consider to be dieting. I view it more as giving the body time to heal and repair itself and if you're overweight, use excess fat as food by flicking off the insulin switch. It's amazing how resilient the human body is.
Paul, I very much doubt many would agree it's a matter of the 'cards you are dealt' when it comes to being overweight, especially as it's something we can normally have an element of control over. Tough love here, but that's denial - by being overweight you are stacking the cards in favour of a shorter life with increased health problems and a miserable journey along the way. But that's your choice . . . you can only lead a horse to water.
It is possible, so I urge you not to lose heart and give in to it. But don't look to slimming world or calorie restrictive diets, it's well proven they fail and make the problem worse in the long run - in fact it seems you've proved that yourself?
I don't mean to sound harsh, I'm just 100% convinced you can turn things around.
The cards you are dealt comment was purely around health conditions you develop. For instance, the heart condition I have is nothing whatsoever to do with my lifestyle, it is just unfortunately a thing I was unlucky to contract. Had I been slimmer or healthier it would have made no difference whatsoever. I have been trying to lose weight over the past 12 months and getting nowhere. What I do know from research is that some of the medication I took earlier in my life would very likely have permanently affected my metabolism and that some of the medication I take for my heart also now have an affect on my metabolism so it won't be easy. My Cholesterol is ok, a little high but not overly concerning. My arteries are completely clear and from what I understand if that is the case there is a much less smaller chance of developing any traditional heart disease related conditions. I tried the 5-2 diet and that did work but I was advised to come off of it from my doctors, so therefore need to check with them about the alternate day fasting. I just feel like I am on a bit of a losing battle at the moment, but it is what it is. |
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Post by Tim on Dec 5, 2019 21:04:28 GMT
Well I hope you get there Paul, so the very best of luck. If it's any consolation, I didn't find it easy to claw myself back from 117kg and it took a long time to achieve it - but boy am I glad I did. My back issues have completely gone and they were quite severe. I had an MRI scan, two epidural injections, quite a lot of medication and some physical therapy. I now sleep really well and just feel so much better all round. I used to often get dreadful pains in my right knee going up and down stairs too, also gone.
I still have more weight to lose and there are bumps in the road, but the general trend continues down, so I'm content with that. Nothing I tried before worked long term, but this does for me and there's nothing to actually do, except don't eat! So I need no further convincing of it's validity. I also tried the 5-2 diet, that didn't really work for me either. That doesn't (IMO) tackle insulin that well, as you are still eating and applying a calorie restriction on your so called 'fast' days. Fasting means no food at all, not 500/600 calories. You need to totally deplete your livers glycogen stores and stop producing insulin to then start using energy from your fat stores. Your body can't do both at the same time, it's one or the other and by eating anything you will produce glycogen around your liver and muscle tissue and your body will always use that first. Restricting calories just lowers your basal metabolic rate and doing that long term can alter your metabolism.
It's key to pay attention to your dietary needs too, by eating well - if you put junk in you get junk out and if your body is carbohydrate dependant it can be tough.
This is a very encouraging quote from the above report;
"Despite its complete novelty of fasting for all three patients, it was well tolerated. No patient stopped fasting at any point out of choice. In general, our feedback from the patients in this programme was very positive, and a number of patients commented on enjoying being actively involved in the process of managing their diabetes"
Fasting has been used a lot for the treatment of T2 Diabetes, with one of the goals being weight loss for obese patients. I find it extraordinary that something so simple can reverse T2 diabetes for a 57 year old male who had been on medication for 14 years. Not only that, he's now totally medication free and a lot lighter. It's also free . . . and there's the rub when you learn how many medical practices and medical professionals are sponsored/supported by major drug companies. It's not in their interests to have patients treated without prescribed drugs and for them to actually fully recover! Read into that what you will? I rarely take anything I'm told by professionals as gospel until I do some digging myself. But I'm a cynic and don't normally buy into spin.
Get Jason Fungs books Paul. If you read them, try out his treatment guidelines correctly and still don't get anything from it, send them to me and I'll refund your money. And you can buy all three books for less than one fang dangly super dooper fuse for yer' stereo!
Just don't give up fella 
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Post by MikeMusic on Dec 6, 2019 10:23:37 GMT
Likewise I have had problems, nothing like either Paul or Tim I'm glad to say, but I kept going with the odd relapse.
My left knee being totally screwed in my late 20s was literally a pain for years, about 8 months every year so I started cycling.
Various other problems I won't bore you with had me looking at what I did and adjusting slightly or changing completely.
Still have physical problems with the odd new one popping up every now and again
Keep on truckin'
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Post by julesd68 on Dec 6, 2019 15:55:30 GMT
I had a pizza last night. Could have easily managed without, just a bit of an indulgence. And two spoons of delicious Tiramisu ..
I'm still surprised how easy I'm finding it to manage my fasting days. And already I seem appreciably trimmer when looking in the mirror which I generally avoid!!
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Post by jandl100 on Dec 7, 2019 5:20:01 GMT
Yep, I find the occasional indulgence is fine, and keeps the morale up. I've reached the point where I want the weight loss to slow down .... so yesterday was a steak and chips eating day. Yum.  |
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Post by John on Dec 7, 2019 9:04:21 GMT
Glad it working for you both
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Post by julesd68 on Dec 8, 2019 14:38:31 GMT
I have been on this diet for 11 days now. I unquestionably look leaner and I certainly feel it inside.
What's interesting is I'm also feeling more alert and energetic. They say the speed at which you walk can be an indicator of fitness as it slows down over the years. When I'm out on my walks I am certainly walking more briskly, and am able to maintain this for longer. The only downside for me is feeling somewhat sad that I didn't discover these possibilities some 15 years ago or more.
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Post by MikeMusic on Dec 8, 2019 14:47:45 GMT
Creeps up on us Jules
I probably weighed 10-11 stone when I left school.
Hardly any exercise and probably ate more. Certainly drank beer
Noticed nothing different as my weight crept up to 15.5 stone
However when weight came down in a much shorter time I also felt much better all round
Noticeable and surprising as not expected
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Post by julesd68 on Dec 8, 2019 15:29:13 GMT
Yes after school I always weighed in at 10.5 st for so many years and it would hardly change. Taking meds started the upwards spiral in weight - started to eat more and exercise less. I'm feeling optimistic about the ability to change this for the first time in many years.
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Post by julesd68 on Dec 8, 2019 15:30:47 GMT
The other thing is by hook or by crook I have no pain from my herniated disc right now. I stand the best chance of keeping it that way if I lose more weight.
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Post by jandl100 on Dec 9, 2019 17:35:32 GMT
I have been on this diet for 11 days now. I unquestionably look leaner and I certainly feel it inside. What's interesting is I'm also feeling more alert and energetic. The other thing is by hook or by crook I have no pain from my herniated disc right now. I stand the best chance of keeping it that way if I lose more weight. Amazing. And it is, I think, a direct result of my starting a thread about deep fried, battered mince pies of all things.   |
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Post by julesd68 on Dec 9, 2019 22:04:39 GMT
I have been on this diet for 11 days now. I unquestionably look leaner and I certainly feel it inside. What's interesting is I'm also feeling more alert and energetic. The other thing is by hook or by crook I have no pain from my herniated disc right now. I stand the best chance of keeping it that way if I lose more weight. Amazing. And it is, I think, a direct result of my starting a thread about deep fried, battered mince pies of all things. Yes it certainly is Jerry, a Christmas gift par excellence! If I can stay on track and lose at least 8kg like you did I will be delighted. I'm even trying to eat a bit more sensibly and snack less. So far not much of a problem as my overall appetite has diminished. Saying that I'm looking forward to my usual fish n chips when up in Manchester later this week! |
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Post by julesd68 on Dec 11, 2019 9:25:21 GMT
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