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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 27, 2019 16:12:38 GMT
My focus is to just lose some weight in what I hope is a safe way. I'm much more interested in a balanced / healthy diet rather than cutting out everything I like completely. There still needs to be some enjoyment left in what I eat, especially if I'm going to keep up this diet for any length of time. Forgot to weigh myself yesterday so got on the scales early morning. I cut out various food items over many years and really don't miss them When I have some of the bad stuff I usually feel bad afterwards, physically. I love what I eat and that's 99% Vegan |
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Post by Slinger on Nov 27, 2019 16:27:35 GMT
Most of the sugary stuff I've cut out I don't really miss, but I did love incredibly strong, incredibly sweet, coffee.
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Post by Pinch on Nov 27, 2019 21:08:02 GMT
Not that I particularly want to advertise a ketogenic diet, but one thing do I enjoy about it is that - while it is highly restrictive - a lot of the stuff that is permitted feels very indulgent because it's very high fat. My usual pudding is berries with lots of double cream, some cinnamon, and grated dark chocolate - yum!
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Post by Clive on Nov 27, 2019 23:22:01 GMT
Re carbs, I find it's the refined cr@p,ie white rice, white pasta, most bread etc which is bad. Real carbs with roughage are heavy but once they pass through you there's no weight gain. I can't speak for Paul's condition though.
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 28, 2019 10:28:08 GMT
Woo ! - 10 days ago 75.0kg, today 73.6kg. The diet continues.  |
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Post by julesd68 on Nov 28, 2019 15:16:08 GMT
You must be well pleased with that Jerry.
I'm starting off at 87.9 kg - would ideally like to get to under 80.
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 28, 2019 15:17:35 GMT
Yep, easiest diet I've ever tried - dieting is usually very hard for me to sustain, tbh I don't usually manage and just give up before I've got very far - I started at around 82-83kg getting on for 3 months ago.
I'm now the lightest I've been for 20-30 years.
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Post by MartinT on Nov 28, 2019 15:47:57 GMT
I'm around 86kg and when I make some effort I can drop it down to around 82kg before my body starts objecting. Any further is a right slog and no longer fun. Additionally, it's working out my insulin doses for, e.g. alternate day, that's hard and I can't get it too wrong since I drive. I therefore have to stay on the 'safe' side of eating little. I also carry glucose tablets in the car, although I've never had a full-on hypo and my body gives me plenty of early warning.
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 28, 2019 15:50:15 GMT
I'm a short arse at 5'7" tall - so 83kg really was rather too heavy for me.
But yes, diabetes would be hard to manage on an irregularly timed diet, I'm sure.
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Post by Tim on Nov 28, 2019 16:42:18 GMT
I feel stuck in a rut that I can't get out of at the moment. I feel your pain Paul, being over weight and trying to lose it by doing what you think is right, only to see it constantly increase is depressing beyond belief, I know as someone who used to be 117 kg. Intermittent fasting isn’t actually anything new and many health/nutrition professionals now admit that strict caloric restriction diets (like SW) isn’t a good way to lose weight and keep it off. You can lose weight this way, but in most cases to successfully maintain it you need a continued restricted calorie intake, as your metabolism normally changes and each time you go back to this type of diet, it gets worse. We all process food differently, especially carbohydrate, so some understanding of this can be very effective, also an understanding of how insulin works. The story of you and your wife eating the same meals is a good illustration. A simplified view I know, as there’s a lot more at play than just the food, such as muscle mass, exercise, hydration, sleep patterns and of course your medication. But being told that old adage of eating less, moving more and counting calories, isn’t really helpful as long term it doesn't work and it’s a pretty miserable thing to do. I think the worst diet advice I’ve ever had was from an NHS nutritionist who basically told me to go and buy this book - I kid you not!
I found keeping a food diary really helpful. By logging all food/drink and weighing myself each day, I learned I don’t process carbohydrate well, especially processed or refined carbohydrates (bread really does me in). I can eat in caloric value good amounts of fat, protein and vegetables and not gain weight – but include a sizeable amount of carbohydrate, with the exact same caloric value and I gain weight. That blows the 'a calorie is a calorie' theory right out the window. Fasting as others are mentioning can be very effective, not just for weight loss but also body maintenance and longevity. It’s a natural process, civilisations have done it for millennia and the best bit, it’s free! I’m sure I've mentioned him before, but Jason Fung is a Canadian nephrologist and world-leading expert on intermittent fasting and low carbohydrate diets, especially treating people with type 2 diabetes. His work has made a huge difference for me and I’ve discovered numerous ways to implement fasting, like OMAD (One Meal a Day), the 3 day fast I did and restricted windows of consumption, say for only 8 hours a day – they all work. OMAD can work very well for someone with a family as they can share an evening meal with everyone, but still lose weight. This is a pretty good explanation and his books are really worth reading - I think you can do it Paul, you've just been steered the wrong way IMO. Just take it slow and steady until your body adjusts, which it will. |
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Post by John on Nov 28, 2019 17:13:27 GMT
Like Tim I found Intermittent fasting very effective but in your case Paul I think important to talk to a doctor and make sure some kind of safety check is in place
For me the hardest bit is starting this after a week you should start to have more energy as your body moves to fat burning
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 17:23:58 GMT
Thanks for the advise guys. I’ll mention intermittent fasting to my Cardiologist when I see them in a couple of weeks and see what they suggest.
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Post by Tim on Nov 28, 2019 18:17:48 GMT
Paul, I wouldn't recommend going straight into fasting completely, especially if your body is used to carbohydrates. You'll have sugar crashes.
If you read Jason Fungs book there is advice on starting out. For example you could eat exactly what you would normally eat, just within a reduced window, say 8 in the morning and 8 at night, or variables thereof, then try reducing it to an 8 hour window and so on, until you got to a point you can easily eat once a day. Then when that seems OK, go to the next level, as in full day fasts. You need to give your body time to adjust, it's not a quick solution and certainly with health issues you need to approach it slowly and if you have concerns, get some advice? But do some research yourself as well. The NHS is catching on due to some recent papers in the Lancet, but there's a distinct lack of knowledge as well. Depends on how much faith you put in them I guess? I've had some pretty poor and outdated guidance from them recently, to the point that two so called professionals gave completely opposite advice! I mean 100% opposite, not just slightly different.
One thing you can't do is cheat yourself by not eating healthily, you need to have good nutritious meals if trying any type of fasting. I would read up before trying it, but I'm the cautious type.
Not to be disingenuous, but the guys trying fasting out here aren't massively over weight anyway, so it'll be a much easier experience for them  |
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Post by julesd68 on Nov 29, 2019 12:23:55 GMT
Yep, easiest diet I've ever tried - dieting is usually very hard for me to sustain, tbh I don't usually manage and just give up before I've got very far - I started at around 82-83kg getting on for 3 months ago. I'm now the lightest I've been for 20-30 years. Strange thing is that I'm not massively hungry on eating days and don't feel like I am trying to 'compensate' for the days I'm not eating. |
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Post by Tim on Nov 29, 2019 12:50:19 GMT
Strange thing is that I'm not massively hungry on eating days and don't feel like I am trying to 'compensate' for the days I'm not eating. It's quite enlightening isn't it Jules, my biggest fear (perhaps not the right word?) was it wouldn't be long before I was ravenously hungry when fasting. It took me a long time and a lot of research before I embarked on that 3 day fast, mostly due to fear and the fact it's been drummed into us that we need to eat 3 squares a day and that breakfast is the most important meal of the day.
Well I think that's total tosh, for me anyway it is - that's Tony the Tiger and Hovis telling you that I reckon. I was never a big breakfast eater and as a late night person, I used to skip it pretty much all the time on workdays, thinking I could get maybe another 15 mins in bed instead, which as a shift worker I felt was more important. Never bothered me, never felt any ill effects either. Coffee was my early morning pick me up, not food.
But bowing to peer pressure and trying to do 'the right thing' I started having breakfast and balancing my meals - guess what, I put on weight. Not saying it's right for all, but my body was used to it. So what happens when I skip breakfast and just drink coffee . . . yup, I don't put weight on.
The ghrelin spikes don't last and after time I found my body totally adjusted without issue. I've just had water and one cup of coffee today and at no point so far have I felt at all hungry or in need of food. The opposite actually, I'm quite alert . . . so on that note, time to walk to the cinema and watch Knives Out
But, as with anything YMMV.
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Post by julesd68 on Nov 29, 2019 13:46:45 GMT
Enjoy the film Tim, I'd like to see it too ...
We are certainly conditioned from an early age to eat more than we need.
I eat the same breakfast every day - cereal with blueberries - generally skip lunch and we have our main meal in the evening. I find that coffee sustains me through the day. So even on my 'regular diet' I'm not exactly overeating even when adding in a few snacks or occasional indulgences. But my weight stays fairly static as I haven't been active enough for some time. Only myself to blame for that.
When I was at my heaviest, in my 30's, my weight peaked due to increased appetite from meds. Really did eat some big meals back then but took me some time to get a grip of it and sort it out.
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Post by Tim on Nov 29, 2019 20:26:45 GMT
We are certainly conditioned from an early age to eat more than we need. Yes and when you dig into it you will find a world or corruption and back handers from corporate-multinationals behind that conditioning. Bugger all to do with what's good for people's health, but what's good for the suits. But I could go off on a major rant here, so I'll pour a whisky instead! |
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Post by Pinch on Nov 29, 2019 21:28:03 GMT
I'm in a slightly different situation to folks here in that I'm not trying to lose weight (the opposite, if anything). My metabolism is kinda crazy - I've always been lean, but also always had ravenous appetite that would only be sated by massive meals with a lot of carbs (mostly rice). But living with the appetite and the resulting energy peaks and troughs was becoming too much of a distraction. My main reason for kicking carbs and keeping myself in ketosis is the effect that it's had on my appetite and energy levels.
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Post by Tim on Nov 30, 2019 8:16:20 GMT
I'm in a slightly different situation to folks here in that I'm not trying to lose weight (the opposite, if anything). My metabolism is kinda crazy - I've always been lean, but also always had ravenous appetite that would only be sated by massive meals with a lot of carbs (mostly rice). But living with the appetite and the resulting energy peaks and troughs was becoming too much of a distraction. My main reason for kicking carbs and keeping myself in ketosis is the effect that it's had on my appetite and energy levels. I had a friend like that at work, he struggled to maintain a healthy weight and was constantly trying to put some on. His diet was dreadful, mostly carbs too and he suffered from wild energy peaks and troughs. He never cooked anything, unless it went ready made into a microwave, which I wouldn't call cooking - virtually zero fresh fruit or veg as well. He did start turning this around and I encouraged him to learn to cook, got all he needed from YouTube and really enjoyed it. He was a lovely guy, just never had anyone to encourage him before and had no confidence to try it himself, so bought everything ready made.
Thin doesn't always mean healthy, but I could certainly be thinner
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Post by Pinch on Nov 30, 2019 11:08:24 GMT
In my case my diet was healthy by the usual standards; I grew up learning how to prepare everything from fresh, eating a lot of fruit and veg. I've always tried to eat well, and so used to heed guidelines around balanced diets, making a point of avoiding fat. I did all this fairly unthinkingly, and then a couple years ago it struck me that, despite having a healthy diet, I spent a lot of the day feeling tired and hungry. I then experimented with smaller more frequent meals and slow release carbs etc, but it didn't really help. But the high fat diet has been a game changer.
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