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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 12:30:58 GMT
There are lots of people crying about this online.
My take is this, Lewis put a lot of pressure on Vettel, who made another mistake. He came back on the track and blocked Lewis, resulting in Lewis having to take avoiding action to avoid hitting the wall or Vettel.
The most sensible thing for Vettel to have done at that stage, would have been to acknowledge he made an error, and allow Lewis through, and then chased him down for the remainder of the race.
The other option was for him to build a 5 second gap on Lewis on the road, which he clearly didn't/couldn't do.
My personal view on why he didn't do this is that he ultimately knew that Lewis was quicker than him throughout the race and knew that if he let him through he couldn't get past, and clearly he couldn't get 5 seconds up for the road for scenario two.
What this has shown again is that Lewis is at a different level to Vettel, yes he makes the odd mistake (like in practice), but as Martin Brundle and Jenson Button both said, he is relentless and just doesn't give up.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 10, 2019 13:13:55 GMT
Looking at the Steward's report, they paid particular attention to Vettel's steering angle throughout the incident and judged that he had corrected the car's slide and then further steered right to block Hamilton. They also saw the data that Hamilton had to brake out of the pinch. You can't argue with their access to footage or with their verdict, really.
Too many people expressing emotion instead of logic.
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Post by robbiegong on Jun 10, 2019 13:43:26 GMT
I see the issue was that once Vettel had the car back under control he then squeezed Ham. A racer's instinct but certainly not within the rules. From motorsport.com, autosport carry the story too: The stewards examined slow motion footage of Vettel's actions from the moment that he had regained control and started steering his car – and it was felt that it showed that the German could have chosen a different path than the one he took. The footage clearly captures Vettel correcting an oversteer moment as he rejoins the track – which is shown by a sharp steering wheel movement to the right by the German. Shortly after that, however, Vettel has dispatched the oversteer and begins steering to the left to follow the direction of the circuit - suggesting he is now under control. But a split moment later, rather than keeping to the left, Vettel is shown to release the steering wheel which allows his car to drift to the right – cutting off the route that Hamilton would have taken had he had clear space. The movement to straighten the wheel, which put Vettel into the path of Hamilton, is believed to be key to the unanimous decision by the stewards to punish Vettel. A further reason the stewards established was through the use of an extra CCTV camera view of the incident, which was not broadcast on the international feed, showing Vettel's head looking in the mirrors at where Hamilton was during these moments when he was releasing the wheel to the right. Onboard footage of the Vettel incident also shows his head looking towards the mirrors in the moment when he is drifting out, suggesting he knew where Hamilton was. Had Vettel kept his car tight to the left once he had regained control, then there was likely enough room to have allowed Hamilton through on the right, in which case the matter would almost certainly not have been investigated. The fact that telemetry data showed Hamilton had to brake to avoid the collision with Vettel showed how the Mercedes driver was caught out by his rival's actions. Precedent for the Vettel decision to punish him for both rejoining the track in an unsafe manner and forcing a rival off the track was made last year in Japan when Max Verstappen was punished with a five-second penalty for a collision with Kimi Raikkonen at the chicane. Verstappen had run wide at the chicane on the first lap of the race and rejoined in an aggressive manner, pushing Raikkonen wide on the exit. At the time, the late F1 race director Charlie Whiting said: "You are required to rejoin safely and Kimi was there and pushing him off the track. So I think that was a fairly straightforward one for the stewards." Thanks - insightful
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Post by robbiegong on Jun 10, 2019 13:45:25 GMT
Looking at the Steward's report, they paid particular attention to Vettel's steering angle throughout the incident and judged that he had corrected the car's slide and then further steered right to block Hamilton. They also saw the data that Hamilton had to brake out of the pinch. You can't argue with their access to footage or with their verdict, really. Too many people expressing emotion instead of logic. Exactly ! BBC Sport pretty much have it expressed here, from sixth from bottom paragraph down echos my earlier post / thoughts www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48577539
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Post by speedysteve on Jun 10, 2019 13:46:46 GMT
I'm with the Stewards and Clive. Steering angle has it. Remember Schumacher Vs Hill?
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Post by MikeMusic on Jun 10, 2019 13:51:12 GMT
I'm with the Stewards and Clive. Steering angle has it. Remember Schumacher Vs Hill? Now you mention it - I do.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2019 15:42:23 GMT
Some sense has come of the debacle over Ferrari's challenge of the stewards decision in Canada finally!
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Post by speedysteve on Jun 21, 2019 16:26:43 GMT
Ferrari obviously not giving the FIA enough money..
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Post by MartinT on Jun 21, 2019 18:54:19 GMT
For goodness sake, using Chandhok's analysis as 'evidence'!
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Post by MartinT on Jun 23, 2019 21:12:01 GMT
A relatively uneventful win for Hamilton today. He is slowly marching towards his target sixth world championship. It's hard to see either Bottas or Ferrari stopping him, short of a Eureka moment.
Great drive by both McLarens today, Norris did very well under the duress of his car falling apart around him.
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Post by speedysteve on Jun 23, 2019 22:53:58 GMT
18s winning margin for Hammy! It's as good as in the bag.. famous last words
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 8:29:30 GMT
Not the most interesting of races yesterday, but it was impressive the amount of fastest laps popping up on the screen and Lewis' fastest lap was remarkably close to Vettel's given that he was on much older tyres.
That Bottas 2.0 talk at the beginning of the season seems to have paled into insignificance now Lewis has begun to up his game as the season has unraveled.
I could see this becoming Lewis' biggest winning margin ever by the end of the year and he easily has the potential now to get the most wins in a season with 6 out of 8 won and another 13 available.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 8:31:11 GMT
For goodness sake, using Chandhok's analysis as 'evidence'! I know! That to be just showed how far Ferrari have fallen! They'll become the laughing stock of the paddock (if they are not already) if they keep that sort of thing up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 18:02:21 GMT
Very impressive Pole Position from Charles Leclerc today, well deserved and understandable penalty for Lewis for hindering Raikkonen.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 29, 2019 18:06:19 GMT
With Hamilton, Magnussen, Sainz and Russell getting penalties, the grid for tomorrow is a mess. Excellent!
The Austrian circuit looks very technically challenging.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jun 30, 2019 10:16:29 GMT
Going back a few years, a lot even, Ferrari were a joke then. Something they can do well
Before Schumacher I think
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Post by MartinT on Jun 30, 2019 16:36:15 GMT
All credit to Verstappen for a truly magnificent win. I always said that Honda would come good, too. A company like that just doesn't admit defeat. I don't think, despite the adulation, that Leclerc is quite at the same level.
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Post by speedysteve on Jun 30, 2019 20:17:56 GMT
Not so mad Max now! Marvelous Max rating from me Amazing that Lewis and Valteri are tied on points!
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Post by MartinT on Jun 30, 2019 20:26:34 GMT
Huh? Lewis is on 197 and Valtteri is on 166 points.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 1, 2019 5:55:06 GMT
No penalty for Verstappen, thank goodness. That really would have made F1 seem a farce.
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