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Post by brettj on May 6, 2024 20:51:46 GMT
Optical. At least only one box required in tandem with an EtherRegen.
There are plenty of optical boxes.
Can you point me in the direction of reasonable ones please Martin?.
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Post by mattspl on May 6, 2024 23:23:27 GMT
Getting in a Synergistic Research Purple Fuse to try in my Firebird LPS (powers my Silent Switch and Fiber Box). Not really sure I will hear an audible improvement but I am willing to try it!  Looks good. Are there any pictures of the inside around? |
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Post by Fro on May 7, 2024 3:19:17 GMT
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Post by MartinT on May 7, 2024 4:29:34 GMT
Optical. At least only one box required in tandem with an EtherRegen. There are plenty of optical boxes. Can you point me in the direction of reasonable ones please Martin?. For what? My optical cable goes from ER to Rendu: optical to optical. I also read back your question and realised you asked whether it will help with noise in the power? No, it helps with noise in the digital line. If you mean media converter, I don't use one. MikeMusic might be able to point to one he used to use before the ER. |
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Post by MikeMusic on May 7, 2024 5:59:48 GMT
Optical. At least only one box required in tandem with an EtherRegen. There are plenty of optical boxes. Can you point me in the direction of reasonable ones please Martin?. For what? My optical cable goes from ER to Rendu: optical to optical. I also read back your question and realised you asked whether it will help with noise in the power? No, it helps with noise in the digital line. If you mean media converter, I don't use one. MikeMusic might be able to point to one he used to use before the ER. The one I had from Ebay was cheap and seemed intermittently faulty.... |
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Post by brettj on May 7, 2024 12:51:27 GMT
Won't be going down the track of a Powerline Ethernet over power.
Noise and nasties I really want to avoid.
Has thrown up the possibility though of utilising optical, if I end up getting an EtherRegen Gen 2 later this year.
Something like the Sonore Optical Module.
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Post by MikeMusic on May 7, 2024 14:48:19 GMT
Grab an EtherRegen 1 at a good price if you can
The UK importer told me the 2 has no release date
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Post by brettj on May 8, 2024 4:48:21 GMT
Grab an EtherRegen 1 at a good price if you can The UK importer told me the 2 has no release date EtherRegen Gen 2 has had the release date pushed back to August 2024. We will see. I am thinking I'll get a Gen 1 as well once the Gen 2 is released, as there may be a few of them for sale. |
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Post by brettj on May 8, 2024 4:50:16 GMT
Grab an EtherRegen 1 at a good price if you can The UK importer told me the 2 has no release date I guess you are thinking Gen 1 ethernet in, optical out to Gen 2 Optical Mike? |
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Post by MikeMusic on May 8, 2024 6:14:06 GMT
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Post by MartinT on May 8, 2024 7:41:27 GMT
I guess you are thinking Gen 1 ethernet in, optical out to Gen 2 Optical Mike? Mike and I both use a Gen 1 'in reverse', i.e. we run ethernet from the router into the B side and fibre from the cage on the A side into the Rendu. With the Gen 2, although the spec is not yet confirmed, we hope to be able to run the Gen 2 the normal way round, i.e. ethernet into the A side with a cage on the B side feeding fibre into the Rendu. The Gen 2 is expected to have cages on both the A (dirty) and B (clean) sides - again, not confirmed. |
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Post by brettj on May 12, 2024 2:32:18 GMT
How would this be for a near final system?
A bit beyond anything I'd have ever expected.
System End
Wifi Extender TP-Link RE650 + Meicord Opal ethernet to
IXO Iso + + Meicord Opal ethernet to
EtherRegen Gen 2 (with Pink Faun Lan Isolator, Plixir Elite LPS) + Triode Wire Labs Freedom to
Stack Audio SmoothLan + Triode Wire Labs Freedom to
Antipodes K21 with Samsung PM893 SSD + Mad Scientist Black Magic USB to
Innuos Phoenix USB Reclocker + Mad Scientist Black Magic Gold USB to
Audio GD DI-20HE (with Coherent Mods) + Tubulus Argentus I2S to
Gustard A22 (with Coherent Mods) + Audience AU24SX RCA to
Perreaux R200i + Auditorium A23 speaker/jumper cables to
ATC SCM19v2
Mad Scientist Black Magic (2) and Mad Scientist Black Magic Ultra (4) power cables
Black Ravioli Pads and Big Pads
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Post by orange55 on May 12, 2024 7:10:11 GMT
In my tests I found that WiFi repeaters had a negative effect on the music. Timing suffered the most with a kind of mush added to the sound. I have tried a number of different brands and price points but seemed to always get similar effects. I have never tried Orbi, but I have heard them at a friends with a decent system and they did perform well. So it maybe worth testing some to see the impact. In my tests I was able to test against a long 15 meter cat 6 cable. The cat 6 cable always sounded better than the WiFi repeaters. But having a long Ethernet run was not practical in my house as 15 meter only just reached and had to be in a straight line. I know people instantly dismiss Ethernet over power, however I have also tested these. The best performing I found where these from Devolo. amzn.eu/d/giBnXNCIn my tests the Devolo sounded better than the cat 6 cable, much better, in fact surprisingly better. The next test was the impact on the overall sound of having the Devolo in our house. I installed them and ran the system for two weeks and then removed them for another two weeks and then put them back in. The tests were not solely on streaming, but all sources which would allow me to see the impact on the whole system of the Devolo. For context my system runs on its own spur with Isotek power conditioners. In my tests there was no difference with having the Devolo powerlines in place or not on sound or picture. As for what I could hear, small changes such as adding a weight to on top of the Plixir power supply of my router was easily audible, the router sits the other side of the Devolo. And other changes at the router end, like changing the supports under the power supply from black ravioli to wood as a test to get things degrade as well as increase. I added these as an example of the resolution of my system. I hope that helps. |
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Post by brettj on May 12, 2024 11:07:43 GMT
In my tests I found that WiFi repeaters had a negative effect on the music. Timing suffered the most with a kind of mush added to the sound. I have tried a number of different brands and price points but seemed to always get similar effects. I have never tried Orbi, but I have heard them at a friends with a decent system and they did perform well. So it maybe worth testing some to see the impact. In my tests I was able to test against a long 15 meter cat 6 cable. The cat 6 cable always sounded better than the WiFi repeaters. But having a long Ethernet run was not practical in my house as 15 meter only just reached and had to be in a straight line. I know people instantly dismiss Ethernet over power, however I have also tested these. The best performing I found where these from Devolo. amzn.eu/d/giBnXNCIn my tests the Devolo sounded better than the cat 6 cable, much better, in fact surprisingly better. The next test was the impact on the overall sound of having the Devolo in our house. I installed them and ran the system for two weeks and then removed them for another two weeks and then put them back in. The tests were not solely on streaming, but all sources which would allow me to see the impact on the whole system of the Devolo. For context my system runs on its own spur with Isotek power conditioners. In my tests there was no difference with having the Devolo powerlines in place or not on sound or picture. As for what I could hear, small changes such as adding a weight to on top of the Plixir power supply of my router was easily audible, the router sits the other side of the Devolo. And other changes at the router end, like changing the supports under the power supply from black ravioli to wood as a test to get things degrade as well as increase. I added these as an example of the resolution of my system. I hope that helps. Very much so. It is the exchange of ideas and experiences that I value most here. I have bought some Blue Jeans Horizontal Cat6A from dirty to system end. That idea is currently on hold. In New Zealand the Devolo is not available. Looking at improving my current extender. |
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Post by brettj on May 13, 2024 10:25:55 GMT
Should read DXE ISO +
Not sure what an ipso facto, 'IXO Iso' actually does (or what it is...)
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Post by Tobias on May 13, 2024 11:02:20 GMT
In my tests I found that WiFi repeaters had a negative effect on the music. Timing suffered the most with a kind of mush added to the sound. I have tried a number of different brands and price points but seemed to always get similar effects. I have never tried Orbi, but I have heard them at a friends with a decent system and they did perform well. So it maybe worth testing some to see the impact. In my tests I was able to test against a long 15 meter cat 6 cable. The cat 6 cable always sounded better than the WiFi repeaters. But having a long Ethernet run was not practical in my house as 15 meter only just reached and had to be in a straight line. I know people instantly dismiss Ethernet over power, however I have also tested these. The best performing I found where these from Devolo. amzn.eu/d/giBnXNCIn my tests the Devolo sounded better than the cat 6 cable, much better, in fact surprisingly better. The next test was the impact on the overall sound of having the Devolo in our house. I installed them and ran the system for two weeks and then removed them for another two weeks and then put them back in. The tests were not solely on streaming, but all sources which would allow me to see the impact on the whole system of the Devolo. For context my system runs on its own spur with Isotek power conditioners. In my tests there was no difference with having the Devolo powerlines in place or not on sound or picture. As for what I could hear, small changes such as adding a weight to on top of the Plixir power supply of my router was easily audible, the router sits the other side of the Devolo. And other changes at the router end, like changing the supports under the power supply from black ravioli to wood as a test to get things degrade as well as increase. I added these as an example of the resolution of my system. I hope that helps. Very much so. It is the exchange of ideas and experiences that I value most here. I have bought some Blue Jeans Horizontal Cat6A from dirty to system end. That idea is currently on hold. In New Zealand the Devolo is not available. Looking at improving my current extender. Wifi repeaters are not always a solution as such, since most of them also suffer from their own noise of course. Some WiFi repeaters (like the TP Link TL-WR902AC V4 in client mode) actually has a very clean output signal when combined with a very good silent power supply. The upside with a WiFi repeater (if silent) is that it breaks the physical connection from your dirty network and can therefore be a extremely cost effective way to start over from a relatively low noise floor source (if using the right WiFi repeater with silent power). |
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Post by NigelB on May 13, 2024 21:10:29 GMT
I know a number of folk who have no alternative to using either PoE Power over Ethernet or a wifi extender; they're obviously not ideal but equally obviously hardly the work of the devil... The digital data arrives fine, just as the ethernet OSI model is designed to deliver, but the issue with both of these is obviously the noise they may introduce. If you use a high quality, low noise, audio-optimised switch after the receiving extender/PoE device, this will do an amazing job of mitigating this noise, and obviously the better the switch the less impact any earlier network constraints have. I don't personally like wifi because although it breaks the noise chain as Tobias says, it necessitates using a wifi receiver in the streamer and these are notoriously noisy, which is why most audio enthusiasts prefer wired to wireless. |
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Post by Tobias on May 14, 2024 6:22:19 GMT
Yes, you ”need” some sort of additional filter after the WiFi Client (extender/repeater) before the streamer.
The WiFi client solution is instead of having a noisy router in the physical signal path.
A very good (expensive) switch will likely lower the noise floor even more. A cheap switch can even make it worse after such a good wifi client (with very good PS).
In my case i ripped out a cheap switch with IFI iPower X PS since it actually made it worse than not having the switch at all after the WiFi client.
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Post by Fro on May 15, 2024 0:15:13 GMT
Just got in this Waversa EXT-2 HDMI Filter, to try between my AppleTV and Sony TV.  |
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Post by brettj on May 15, 2024 8:48:51 GMT
Just picked up a cheap EtherRegen.
Should deal to some of the gremlins from the wifi extender.
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