Tobias
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Post by Tobias on Mar 5, 2024 21:39:36 GMT
This deserves its own thread but I post it here since it is almost to good to be true. Not sure if I want to spread this everywhere to be honest... I have now ripped out my expensive ethernet cables, LAN isolators and Switch with power supply and replaced them with this, for very cheap: WiFi Extender (should be V4, which doesn´t require any modifications) and Throttle Ethernet Cable as suggested and measured, in the same German forum. (use the translate function in your browser) The throttle cable goes directly into the streamer. In addition i bought the Ian Canada Power Supply which i plan to use for the WiFi Extender, as suggested in the same forum. I haven´t yet done the needed soldering though... It all makes perfect sense to me to keep it simple with a very good WiFi extender, with silent power, that can output the cleanest possible ethernet signal, decoupled from ethernet. The throttle cable is basically just a very effective way to shield that clean signal into the streamer, that is proven more efficient then very expensive ethernet cables. Their conclusion, on this forum, is that adding additional "stuff" only makes it worse when using this combination. I can´t confirm that in any way. All i can say is that I am very happy with the result, to say the least. |
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Post by mattspl on Mar 5, 2024 21:48:10 GMT
Very interesting.
Could you explain what the Throttle cable is?
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Post by Tobias on Mar 5, 2024 21:53:07 GMT
Very interesting. Could you explain what the Throttle cable is? It is the cheapest possible ethernet cable, without shielding. You then instead cover the whole meter of ethernet cable with ferrit clamps and twist it around the Ferrit core (throttle).  This creates a very effective shielding. Basically this is a similar concept to what is inside the very expensive Network Accoustics Muon filters, from what i understand. |
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Post by MartinT on Mar 5, 2024 21:58:44 GMT
I use the (more expensive) DXE isolation filters in my only length of ethernet cable, between the router and EtherREGEN.
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 6, 2024 9:58:08 GMT
I use the (more expensive) DXE isolation filters in my only length of ethernet cable, between the router and EtherREGEN. Is that one DXE filter on one ethernet cable ? |
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Post by palace on Mar 6, 2024 10:33:51 GMT
Very interesting. Could you explain what the Throttle cable is? It is the cheapest possible ethernet cable, without shielding. You then instead cover the whole meter of ethernet cable with ferrit clamps and twist it around the Ferrit core (throttle). This creates a very effective shielding. Basically this is a similar concept to what is inside the very expensive Network Accoustics Muon filters, from what i understand. Other than the ferrite ring core, which I will try, the "Throttle Cable" is like my ethernet cable from Virgin Super Hub 4 to the Virgin HD Tivo box, though I use CAT 8 shielded cable with great success as in my thread "A small problem cured, bigger result" detailing the removal of EMI/EFI & 50hz hum. I actually use 10 clip on ferrites on my ethernet cable. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 6, 2024 10:45:20 GMT
It is the cheapest possible ethernet cable, without shielding. You then instead cover the whole meter of ethernet cable with ferrit clamps and twist it around the Ferrit core (throttle). This creates a very effective shielding. Basically this is a similar concept to what is inside the very expensive Network Accoustics Muon filters, from what i understand. Other than the ferrite ring core, which I will try, the "Throttle Cable" is like my ethernet cable from Virgin Super Hub 4 to the Virgin HD Tivo box, though I use CAT 8 shielded cable with great success as in my thread "A small problem cured, bigger result" detailing the removal of EMI/EFI & 50hz hum. I actually use 10 clip on ferrites on my ethernet cable. What ethernet cable recommended ? Mine came out of the box the router came in. No idea what CAT it is. Missed that we were up to CAT 8 What should we be looking at ? Length an issue ? |
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Post by Tobias on Mar 6, 2024 10:48:25 GMT
Other than the ferrite ring core, which I will try, the "Throttle Cable" is like my ethernet cable from Virgin Super Hub 4 to the Virgin HD Tivo box, though I use CAT 8 shielded cable with great success as in my thread "A small problem cured, bigger result" detailing the removal of EMI/EFI & 50hz hum. I actually use 10 clip on ferrites on my ethernet cable. What ethernet cable recommended ? Mine came out of the box the router came in. No idea what CAT it is. Missed that we were up to CAT 8 What should we be looking at ? Length an issue ? From what i understand it should look like on the picture, which uses a one meter lenght. (that is exactly what mine looks like) In the forum part, on that site, they play around with different cables but it seems you want a cheap unshielded one that is really bendy, that sits tight around the ferrit core. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 6, 2024 10:56:18 GMT
What ethernet cable recommended ? Mine came out of the box the router came in. No idea what CAT it is. Missed that we were up to CAT 8 What should we be looking at ? Length an issue ? From what i understand it should look like on the picture, which uses a one meter lenght. (that is exactly what mine looks like) In the forum part, on that site, they play around with different cables but it seems you want a cheap unshielded one that is really bendy, that sits tight around the ferrit core. Thanks I have ferrite chokes available so could try that before a new cable arrives |
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Post by palace on Mar 6, 2024 11:35:58 GMT
Other than the ferrite ring core, which I will try, the "Throttle Cable" is like my ethernet cable from Virgin Super Hub 4 to the Virgin HD Tivo box, though I use CAT 8 shielded cable with great success as in my thread "A small problem cured, bigger result" detailing the removal of EMI/EFI & 50hz hum. I actually use 10 clip on ferrites on my ethernet cable. What ethernet cable recommended ? Mine came out of the box the router came in. No idea what CAT it is. Missed that we were up to CAT 8 What should we be looking at ? Length an issue ? The camp as usual is divided it is written that CAT 5 & 6 unshielded is best as the shielded carries interference if not unconnected at one end. As far as I know the CAT 8 I use the screen is connected at both ends & works fine. With phono cables the Japanese happily connect screen at both ends, I try to play safe (old school)and only ground any screening at one end. |
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Post by MartinT on Mar 6, 2024 12:14:54 GMT
Is that one DXE filter on one ethernet cable ? No, you use them in pairs, one at each end of the ethernet cable.  |
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 6, 2024 13:57:38 GMT
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 6, 2024 13:59:00 GMT
What ethernet cable recommended ? Mine came out of the box the router came in. No idea what CAT it is. Missed that we were up to CAT 8 What should we be looking at ? Length an issue ? The camp as usual is divided it is written that CAT 5 & 6 unshielded is best as the shielded carries interference if not unconnected at one end. As far as I know the CAT 8 I use the screen is connected at both ends & works fine. With phono cables the Japanese happily connect screen at both ends, I try to play safe (old school)and only ground any screening at one end. Thanks Will look at my cable first plus others if I can easily find them |
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Post by brettj on Mar 6, 2024 23:43:53 GMT
I sent my Mad Scientist USB cable back to Bob.
He has upgraded it to his top spec Black Magic Gold.
It’s now in the post back to me.
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Post by MartinT on Mar 7, 2024 5:31:45 GMT
It was an Ultra right, Brett? Do report on how it sounds in comparison.
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Post by brettj on Mar 7, 2024 20:12:30 GMT
Yes Martin, have upgraded the Black Magic Ultra USB to Black Magic Gold (Mad Scientist).
Not sure how accurate my aural memory will be though.
Leading into the third week.
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Post by MartinT on Mar 7, 2024 20:19:30 GMT
I'm intrigued but would have trouble letting it go for a much longer time, considering the shipping to and from NZ.
Very interested to hear how it compares with the Ultra.
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Post by brettj on Mar 7, 2024 21:52:50 GMT
If desired, I could lend you mine??
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Tobias
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Post by Tobias on Mar 7, 2024 22:45:36 GMT
The cable throttle trick (with a Ferrit Core), seen in this thread for ethernet cables, is also said to work for USB cables. I think it is then best with cheap unshielded bendy cables.
Not sure if you have seen the USB cables that has a moving part, that you can slide across the length of the cable, to find the best sounding place for it. I have a feeling it is just a piece of ferrit?
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Post by MartinT on Mar 8, 2024 8:48:49 GMT
If desired, I could lend you mine?? Extremely generous offer, continued by PM. |
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