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Post by MikeMusic on Jun 2, 2018 18:42:54 GMT
We certainly learned a lot this afternoon, John. For everyone else, we were listening to solely Spotify hi-bitrate using Stan's supercap PSU and my modified Pi & SEG. We played a variety of music and asked ourselves the very topic of this thread: is this musical? The answer was an unequivocal 'yes', something we would not have believed just a year ago. Not just digital format, but a compressed digital stream over the Internet. It's remarkable and we just wanted to play more and discuss the music. Just as it should be, of course. I still struggle to comprehend this interweb thing is able to provide music at such a high quality. Marvel ever time I play it. Magic and fancy at the same time  |
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Post by John on Jun 2, 2018 19:04:07 GMT
You right of course Chris but the Digione is in very high quality playback and running at 24/96
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Post by Stratmangler on Jun 2, 2018 19:24:16 GMT
I don't dispute that the sound was very good, but the omission of the phrase "upsampled on the fly" is what I was kicking up about. Such omissions have a habit of becoming the accepted way of looking at things, and nothing could be further from the truth.
You only have to look at the way "loose" has become accepted as a normal word to describe lose. Someone, probably a non native English speaker, used it, and then every bugger seems to be using it. Just because the beginning of the pronunciation is loo.
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Post by Slinger on Jun 2, 2018 19:28:51 GMT
You only have to look at the way "loose" has become accepted as a normal word to describe lose. Not by me it fecking hasn't. I want to break someone's fingers every time I see it, or at least slam a dictionary shut on them. |
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Post by MartinT on Jun 2, 2018 19:43:27 GMT
They've changed its name from hi-bitrate to high quality streaming. It's the same thing. |
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Post by MartinT on Jun 2, 2018 19:46:31 GMT
the omission of the phrase "upsampled on the fly" is what I was kicking up about. It wasn't that at all. Spotify have changed its description: see above. |
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Post by Stratmangler on Jun 2, 2018 19:47:19 GMT
You only have to look at the way "loose" has become accepted as a normal word to describe lose. Not by me it fecking hasn't. I want to break someone's fingers every time I see it, or at least slam a dictionary shut on them. Same here. It doesn't stop the practice, despite the annoyance and frustration it causes. Curiously enough, Americans, despite getting the blame for dumbing down the language, do not have a problem correctly using the correct spelling. Funny that!
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Post by Stratmangler on Jun 2, 2018 19:51:14 GMT
They've changed its name from hi-bitrate to high quality streaming. It's the same thing. So the change mean cock all! It's all semantics. It's still 320kbps OGG? |
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Post by Stratmangler on Jun 2, 2018 19:53:14 GMT
I just love it when stuff gets redefined, and it means 100% of SFA!
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Post by MartinT on Jun 2, 2018 19:53:15 GMT
Of course. What is it that you were objecting to - the name change that Spotify made that you picked me up on?
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Post by Stratmangler on Jun 2, 2018 20:07:52 GMT
Of course. What is it that you were objecting to - the name change that Spotify made that you picked me up on? Not at all. It was this phrase.
For everyone else, we were listening to solely Spotify hi-bitrate
Spotify don't have a hi-bitrate service as yet. There's talk of one, but it hasn't yet appeared.
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Post by John on Jun 2, 2018 21:23:39 GMT
In the end the main thing was just how good it sounded as a main source. Equalling a very good CD Player in the process (In my view probably a bit better).
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Post by MartinT on Jun 2, 2018 21:45:38 GMT
Spotify don't have a hi-bitrate service as yet Ah, I see. Semantics. As I said, it used to be called hi-bitrate in the client GUI and is now called high quality streaming. It's a compressed format but hi-bitrate refers to it not being 128k or 256k, for instance. It seems you are interpreting it as hi-res but that was never mentioned anywhere. |
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Post by MartinT on Jun 2, 2018 21:46:15 GMT
Equalling a very good CD Player in the process (In my view probably a bit better). ...and mine. |
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Post by Stratmangler on Jun 2, 2018 21:57:25 GMT
As I said, it used to be called hi-bitrate in the client GUI and is now called high quality streaming. It's a compressed format but hi-bitrate refers to it not being 128k or 256k, for instance. It seems you are interpreting it as hi-res but that was never mentioned anywhere. It's laughably called extreme quality in LMS - it's not, but the upsampling in LMS gives the stream a pleasant sound quality. Last I saw on your settings posting, you'd set everything to upsample to 24/96, so I take it with the exception you seem to be taking to my comments that you no longer utilise this setting, and everything still sounds glorious? |
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Post by MartinT on Jun 2, 2018 22:03:43 GMT
Chris, I'm lost and baffled with this conversation.
Spotify is set to 'high quality streaming' (previously called hi-bitrate). This is 320k OGG.
Volumio in the Pi is set to upsample to 24/96 at 'very high quality' before sending via S/PDIF to the Caiman SEG.
Two different transmission formats. I don't believe I've said anything different anywhere?
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Post by Stratmangler on Jun 2, 2018 22:20:33 GMT
Volumio in the Pi is set to upsample to 24/96 at 'very high quality' That's all I was trying to clarify. |
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Post by MartinT on Jun 2, 2018 22:23:21 GMT
Ok, glad we got that sorted |
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Post by MartinT on Jun 6, 2018 7:58:39 GMT
Thanks for all the comments. I started this thread because I've heard a few mutterings about digital not being musical and ultimately not pleasing. It made me wonder what such people were listening to. I can understand having a highly evolved LP (or tape) playback system where the best of analogue could be heard, but it made me wonder whether there are a lot of mediocre digital playback components out there being used as a reference with which to judge digital as a whole.
For me, digital can and does deliver musical pleasure every day. I simply don't get hung up on it, I can happily mix LP, CD and streaming playback all in one sitting and they all sound good. I get more insight into the music than ever before, the realism in, say, an orchestral performance in a concert venue is such that I feel that I am there. The acoustic of the space, chairs creaking, conductor humming, organ pump running, traffic noise outside, Underground trains - check! It's not always desirable in a recording (Glenn Gould's humming drives me particularly mad), but it certainly adds to the vivid feeling of a real performance. That, for me, is the final arbiter - I can close my eyes and fall into the music.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jun 6, 2018 9:14:44 GMT
Digital has been a few years coming to this standard.
At the beginning I couldn't see how it would ever sound any good.
Technological advances have been big but when you consider 40 years or so not so fast.
The last few years seem to have been the biggest improvements
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