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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 20:17:46 GMT
Fascinating video and a really interesting product. No idea of price but id love to try it someday.
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Post by sq225917 on Feb 15, 2018 20:56:01 GMT
What a total utter crock of shit. it does nothing more that a speaker cloth wrapped bit of core-cell board wouldn't do.
Try it for yourself. Placing one bit of foam between my speakers totally changes the sound of the room.
If he's selling it for a tenner a square foot then fair enough, but he won't be will he, it'll be hundreds if not thousands to treat a room.
He's not a designer, he's not an electrical engineer, he's not a recording engineering, he's not an acoustician, he's just a shyster pedalling snake oil.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 21:18:49 GMT
I've experimented substantially with room treatments. They work, but I really like the idea of acoustic paint as it is less obtrusive. In fact, it can be practically invisible if one chooses. I will keep an open mind about this product until I hear it or try it for myself. Maybe they will sell "tester pots"  |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 15, 2018 21:28:44 GMT
What a total utter crock of shit. it does nothing more that a speaker cloth wrapped bit of core-cell board wouldn't do. There's being sceptical and then there's being close minded. None of us have heard the product described so it's difficult to express such a vehement opinion. I am minded of your views on SR fuses. Since I know they work, it sets your opinion into perspective. |
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Post by scotty38 on Feb 15, 2018 23:19:09 GMT
At least you can send the fuses back if you feel they don't work....
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Post by nrg on Feb 15, 2018 23:59:39 GMT
What utter bollocks. Try the foam board without the paint, it will dampen the flutter echo just as well, what a crock of sh*t
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Post by MartinT on Feb 16, 2018 6:41:13 GMT
Wow, all these people who 'know better' without any experience of the product.
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Post by Tim on Feb 16, 2018 6:49:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 7:17:16 GMT
Perhaps the doubters may feel different if they see a shade card and find a pleasing colour.  |
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Post by Tim on Feb 16, 2018 7:33:20 GMT
It's not a case of doubting, it just doesn't register on my interest radar. It 'might' do something and for some people undoubtedly it will, for others placebo is massively powerful. I'm just not one of those people and I find it amusing. I'm just telling it as it is for me, that's my personality  You boys work away if that's what floats your boat. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 7:50:30 GMT
At least you can send the fuses back if you feel they don't work.... It's actually peelable. Only kidding!  |
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Post by dsjr on Feb 16, 2018 9:28:38 GMT
I wonder if it's the same as 'Plastidip?'
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Post by nrg on Feb 16, 2018 10:02:53 GMT
Wow, all these people who really would put their head in a gas oven if somebody on the internet told them it would enhance the sound of their system. Think about that video, the panels where removed and not replaced with unpainted panels, how the feck can you deduce the reduction in flutter echo was down to paint. There's little to no absorbent material in that room, the dimensions are unusual and if the paint works as stated then just paint the bloody walls!
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Post by Stratmangler on Feb 16, 2018 10:58:49 GMT
Coming here is getting to be a lot like going to Church - you turn up, and you're presented with a load of suspect and implausible nonsense  Magic paint! Whatever next? I don't care - I'm going off to consult with the fairies in the garden ....... |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 16, 2018 11:03:18 GMT
Yes, but cast your mind back a few years. Weren't cables and supports considered 'suspect' and 'implausible' not so long ago?
I'm not defending this paint, I have no idea whether it works or not, but best to keep an open mind.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 12:10:11 GMT
I agree. Not having tried any of this stuff, I won't dismiss until I've had a chance to experience it. Apparently the UEF treatments have been purchased by major recording studios. A hard sell unles there are improvements to be heard, I'd have thought.
So many times in history we have persecuted people who observe and report things that don't fit our (still incomplete) understanding of reality. I'm not suggesting Mr Denney is the next Galileo, but what if he has found things as yet not understood, which affect either human preception or the sound itself?
We don't even have a "theory of everything": We can't even begin to reconcile particle physics with the quantum world; we believe there are 11 dimensions even though we can't experinece the majority of them and most of the matter and energy we believe to exist in the universe is beyond our ability to perceive or detect.
...........And that's just the observable universe.
If anyone is clinging to something akin to religion it's those who believe that anything you can't meausre must be snake oil.
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Post by scotty38 on Feb 16, 2018 12:33:15 GMT
Yes but as said above why not compare painted with unpainted panels? That would have been far more plausible.
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Post by scotty38 on Feb 16, 2018 12:34:44 GMT
At least you can send the fuses back if you feel they don't work.... It's actually peelable. Only kidding! Maybe they supply a tin of paint remover so you can scrape it off and send it back.... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 12:37:55 GMT
Just don't use foam board like they do in the video. I'm advised that you have to paint BOTH sides to stop it from curling up. That's gonna cost you twice as much unless you cut a deal with your next door neighbours for improving their sound too!
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Post by dsjr on Feb 16, 2018 17:37:22 GMT
Yes, but cast your mind back a few years. Weren't cables and supports considered 'suspect' and 'implausible' not so long ago. No, decent gauge and quality interconnect cables were known about fifty years ago (I have the Crown instruction/service manuals as proof) and it was only people like Quad who perhaps played it down a bit (and nearly destroyed themselves because of their smugness in the late 70's after peter Walker had backed down to let his son run the company?). Damping factor was acknowledged too back then and proper reasons given for using good gauge cables, although earlier in the 60's the speakers were around 15 ohms typically unlike today's horrors. These reasons were based on sound PROVABLE and REPEATABLE fact, not opinion or sales-bullshit Martin, sorry...
As for supports. I think Spendor made the UK aware of the need for speaker stands and their too-low 9" trolleys for the BC1 was about all they could get away with at the time - the BC3 was a taller speaker on much higher stands but sold rather less, but the gradual move away from speakers the size of small wardrobes meant that they needed lifting up to get the tweeters at ear height so after the BC1 introduced the concept (I think US speakers of this size were shelf or floor mounted), many other two-cubic-foot size speakers adopted stands of sorts, Linn then introducing the floor-spike and all the crap that went with it!
No negativity then I remember about equipment supports but these in the UK seemed to come out of the need for the LP12 to be sited properly and hence the rack was born alongside the cheapo 'stack systems-in-rack/cabinets' and all the me-too people followed. The rest is history. Mind you, there's good evidence to suggest that placing all the non-system 'stuff' in a rack isn't really good for it, what with mains and signal cables draped down the back and transformer hum fields adding together...
Look, I'm old enough and daft enough to realise sometimes when I'm being had or when someone's trying to get one over on me. I know that if I place my hand in the fire it'll get burned without actually doing it (I came close as a lad so I suppose I can use personal experience here) and in this case I know what celotex-style poly sheets do to room acoustics even before painting. I've also used Plasti-Dip and seen the kind of flexible matt finish and 'peelability' it can achieve. Acousticians use grades of cloth, sheeting of various types and/or waxed paper to get similar kinds of 'effects' in room treatments and rock-wool? sound deadening sheets (a bit like loft insulation) with lightly waxed paper over and covered in an attractive cloth can do wonders on an entire wall I was shown (you don't want to kill a room of reflection I was told, just control the excesses and the benefits were proved to me in practise at the time).
Whatever, I believe the OP was posted to get a reaction from 'us' here and elsewhere. The joke's over now. if I need to 'treat' a room, I'd use a professional, or better for domestic bliss and loosely tied in with a tiny part of the root of the Peter Belt phenomena, furnish a domestic living space so you feel comfortable in it and when having a conversation, the voices you hear sound ok to you. All these bare walls and hard reflective surfaces all the rage make people sound as if they're talking in a bathroom and it can be heard on many home-lifestyle-aspirational TV shows after the makeovers have removed the carpets, rugs probably and most soft furnishings to make a TV-friendly atmosphere (Yes Amanda Lamb, I'm thinking of you with your duck-egg paint...).
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