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Post by TheMooN on Feb 17, 2018 13:19:25 GMT
Thank you for introducing me to a genuinely novel expeariance dsjr, a post where you have managed not to avail yourself of the opportunity to spin for your employer, my congratulations.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 14:18:50 GMT
Very easy way to prove whether this genuinely works or not, before treating the room perform a full RTA room sweep with a professional machine.
Then after the paint has dried (lol) perform the test measurements (making sure all the equipment in the room is as close to exactly the same as possible) then compare the plots.
As we deal with many professional studio's on a regular basis, I did show said video to a few of the in house technicians response for practice room and mixing room acoustics.
Reactions ranged form a mild smirk to belly laughs, though a couple made the comment they would like to see further information!
I have no thoughts on this what so ever and certainly have no interest in the Never Very Audible company
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Post by MartinT on Feb 17, 2018 14:24:03 GMT
Let's leave it there, shall we (the HFS stuff)?
Dave, that was a better post and at least you acknowledge that the Linn/Naim psychology was all aimed at getting listeners to hear only what they're good at, thus the foot tapping nonsense (ever tried foot tapping to Tangerine Dream or Delius?).
I used to enjoy reading Jimmy Hughes' articles even if some of them were out there with his reversed/reflective speaker positioning and Belt accessories. It's easy for armchair scoffers but much harder for those with an open mind to differentiate between the worthwhile and the bunk.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 14:48:25 GMT
Very easy way to prove whether this genuinely works or not, before treating the room perform a full RTA room sweep with a professional machine. Then after the paint has dried (lol) perform the test measurements (making sure all the equipment in the room is as close to exactly the same as possible) then compare the plots. As we deal with many professional studio's on a regular basis, I did show said video to a few of the in house technicians response for practice room and mixing room acoustics. Reactions ranged form a mild smirk to belly laughs, though a couple made the comment they would like to see further information! I have no thoughts on this what so ever and certainly have no interest in the Never Very Audible company I misread this at first and bought you'd said "compare the POTS" (of paint)  |
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Post by Stratmangler on Feb 17, 2018 15:10:36 GMT
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Post by MartinT on Feb 17, 2018 15:13:29 GMT
Please don't.
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Post by Stratmangler on Feb 17, 2018 15:40:53 GMT
For some reason Alan TheMoon made an oblique reference to a forum I don't visit and something I posted.
I wonder why, that's all.
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Post by dsjr on Feb 17, 2018 16:17:53 GMT
Thank you for introducing me to a genuinely novel expeariance dsjr, a post where you have managed not to avail yourself of the opportunity to spin for your employer, my congratulations. Please, don't do this!
I am totally freelance and do my assembly work on a cash-basis only. It's but one of the things I do although why I should need to justify what I do here is beyond me....
I 'spin' for nobody - ffs, I have been associated with things audio for fifty odd years now ever since I bought my first copy of Hi Fi Sound magazine and literally mopped up the info between it's covers as Aspie-tendency people can do and I took this mag monthly until its eventual demise. Later I began work as a Saturday boy in 1973 and full time in 1975 and although my sales and admin performance could have been better, I was always praised for my then product knowledge! Some of this has stayed with me and I thought I was possibly helping by sharing some of it.
Since it seems my posts are now being all but 'marked' for effort (thanks Martin), the spontaneity seems to have evaporated now. Time to regroup and withdraw again for a while methinks - again 
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 16:55:28 GMT
Thank you for introducing me to a genuinely novel expeariance dsjr, a post where you have managed not to avail yourself of the opportunity to spin for your employer, my congratulations. Please, don't do this!
I am totally freelance and do my assembly work on a cash-basis only. It's but one of the things I do although why I should need to justify what I do here is beyond me....
I 'spin' for nobody - ffs, I have been associated with things audio for fifty odd years now ever since I bought my first copy of Hi Fi Sound magazine and literally mopped up the info between it's covers as Aspie-tendency people can do and I took this mag monthly until its eventual demise. Later I began work as a Saturday boy in 1973 and full time in 1975 and although my sales and admin performance could have been better, I was always praised for my then product knowledge! Some of this has stayed with me and I thought I was possibly helping by sharing some of it.
Since it seems my posts are now being all but 'marked' for effort (thanks Martin), the spontaneity seems to have evaporated now. Time to regroup and withdraw again for a while methinks - again
It's everyone's choice as to whether they remain and post or step away. I would, however, like to address your wounded response at being accused of spinning NVA. You do earn money from making NVA kit. Many times you refer positively to the brand when it appears to be out of context or not totally relevant to the thread. Take for instance, your earlier post in this thread about acoustic paint Now it's a bit rich for others to accuse Martin and TheMoon of effectively taking bribes to promote products when there is NO evidence to support it. Perhaps you can then understand why someone thus accused would take issues with someone who IS paid regularly by a company, and who repeatedly posts positive things about said company's products, often out of context. Also, before acting the victim here, please remember you weren't averse to ascribe unfounded and malicious ulterior motives to me posting in this thread. I have twice raised this and you have twice ignored it in your response. Perhaps you should practice what you preach and not judge others lest you be judged. |
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Post by pinkie on Feb 17, 2018 17:01:22 GMT
What made me laugh today then I wonder . . . . .  I lasted 36 seconds, a faster walk out than a Fifty Shades film  I didn't time it but I don't think I made 30 seconds. The rest of their website is a treat. Take a look at their atmosphere product. Solar flares in your living room to make it sound like night time. They have bloody great carpet rolls of invisible cloth for the emperor's new clothes. An open mind does not have to be an unquestioning one Martin |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 17, 2018 17:10:41 GMT
An open mind does not have to be an unquestioning one Martin At last we agree on something! |
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 17, 2018 17:13:10 GMT
Thank you for introducing me to a genuinely novel expeariance dsjr, a post where you have managed not to avail yourself of the opportunity to spin for your employer, my congratulations. , I was always praised for my then product knowledge! Some of this has stayed with me and I thought I was possibly helping by sharing some of it.
Since it seems my posts are now being all but 'marked' for effort (thanks Martin), the spontaneity seems to have evaporated now. Time to regroup and withdraw again for a while methinks - again
For my part I would wish you to stay and continue to benefit the forum from your repository of knowledge and wealth of experience. it would also hope that you might find the points made by Spica worthy of reflection. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 17:51:10 GMT
Please, don't do this!
I am totally freelance and do my assembly work on a cash-basis only. It's but one of the things I do although why I should need to justify what I do here is beyond me....
I 'spin' for nobody - ffs, I have been associated with things audio for fifty odd years now ever since I bought my first copy of Hi Fi Sound magazine and literally mopped up the info between it's covers as Aspie-tendency people can do and I took this mag monthly until its eventual demise. Later I began work as a Saturday boy in 1973 and full time in 1975 and although my sales and admin performance could have been better, I was always praised for my then product knowledge! Some of this has stayed with me and I thought I was possibly helping by sharing some of it.
Since it seems my posts are now being all but 'marked' for effort (thanks Martin), the spontaneity seems to have evaporated now. Time to regroup and withdraw again for a while methinks - again
It's everyone's choice as to whether they remain and post or step away. I would, however, like to address your wounded response at being accused of spinning NVA. You do earn money from making NVA kit. Many times you refer positively to the brand when it appears to be out of context or not totally relevant to the thread. Take for instance, your earlier post in this thread about acoustic paint Now it's a bit rich for others to accuse Martin and TheMoon of effectively taking bribes to promote products when there is NO evidence to support it. Perhaps you can then understand why someone thus accused would take issues with someone who IS paid regularly by a company, and who repeatedly posts positive things about said company's products, often out of context. Also, before acting the victim here, please remember you weren't averse to ascribe unfounded and malicious ulterior motives to me posting in this thread. I have twice raised this and you have twice ignored it in your response. Perhaps you should practice what you preach and not judge others lest you be judged. Knock it off Andrew. Dave or myself have never accused anyone of taking bribes. Some people on HFS have mentioned shilling in response to over enthusiasm for some rather overpriced products, regarded as on the margins of serious contribution to SQ. You seem to be intent at every opportunity to bring up NVA and HFS in the discussion. Strange as you have expressed enthusiasm for the product in the past. If you have a personal issue with the owner please keep it to yourself. As far as I can see DSJR was trying to put some perspective into the debate based on his 50 years experience in the hi-fi industry. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 18:04:53 GMT
I never said he did. RD certainly has and I haven't seen any of those who are members of both forums contradicting him. Try reading my post again. And don't tell me to knock it off: you are not my censor. You are one of the people who slags off members here when you are on HFs then turns up here, like nothing has happened. To yet again quote Macca, you cannot expect to go round town slagging off the landlord and regulars of your local and then turn up expecting a warm welcome.
My point is that I find it hypocritical for DSJR to take offence at being accused of spinning NVA, when he has said nothing (here or elsewhere) in condemnation of the totally unfounded accusations thrown around at Martin T and TheMoon. I also find it hypocritical that DSjR accuses me of malicious intent in creating this thread on zero evidence, yet plays the victim when he is accused of spinning NVA when it is a FACT that he is paid by RD.
I only raise NVA when Dunn blatantly asks people to come and spam for him, or when HFS devotees attempt to derail our discussions here. The message is clear. Stop treading shit across our threshold and I won't keep mentioning it.
As for DSJR's "experience", it doesn't trump or invalidate anyone else's, I'm sick of him claiming it to be universal truth. Im not the only one. DQ has repeatedly pulled him for the same thing,
And as for my opinions of NVA, I will still express positive views on the vast majority of it. I have never liked most of the speaker cables but the rest is good. It just doesn't need to be spammed so blatantly.
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 17, 2018 18:10:17 GMT
Steve, on a topic such as this thread was created to discuss there was/ Is ZERO reason for dsjr to mention an NVA product in the slightest of context.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 17, 2018 18:34:07 GMT
Dave or myself have never accused anyone of taking bribes. Some people on HFS have mentioned shilling in response to over enthusiasm for some rather overpriced products, regarded as on the margins of serious contribution to SQ. No, you haven't. However, the implication of shilling, a ridiculous and baseless accusation, is still held by some on HFS. If anyone wants to say that here, I suggest that they walk away from TAS now. We are not about there here, we are just enthusiasts doing what we like doing, which is to enthuse about music and the products that bring us closer to it. |
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Post by pinkie on Feb 17, 2018 18:38:48 GMT
Thank you for introducing me to a genuinely novel expeariance dsjr, a post where you have managed not to avail yourself of the opportunity to spin for your employer, my congratulations. Please, don't do this!
I am totally freelance and do my assembly work on a cash-basis only. It's but one of the things I do although why I should need to justify what I do here is beyond me....
I 'spin' for nobody - ffs, I have been associated with things audio for fifty odd years now ever since I bought my first copy of Hi Fi Sound magazine and literally mopped up the info between it's covers as Aspie-tendency people can do and I took this mag monthly until its eventual demise. Later I began work as a Saturday boy in 1973 and full time in 1975 and although my sales and admin performance could have been better, I was always praised for my then product knowledge! Some of this has stayed with me and I thought I was possibly helping by sharing some of it.
Since it seems my posts are now being all but 'marked' for effort (thanks Martin), the spontaneity seems to have evaporated now. Time to regroup and withdraw again for a while methinks - again
I would be a bit careful what you post on a public forum Dave. How many other hifi manufacturers do you offer your freelance services to? If the answer is "none" not only does it call into question the independence od your opinions when you diligently plug NVA, but it calls into question your self employed status and whether Mr Dunn should be operating an rti paye payroll for you. Whether you are employed or self employed is a question of facts in each circumstance and not something you can elect. And when you say "cash basis" I'm sure you don't mean to imply deliberate tax evasion but it would be easy for a passing tax inspector to interpret otherwise. |
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 17, 2018 18:44:31 GMT
Dave or myself have never accused anyone of taking bribes. Some people on HFS have mentioned shilling in response to over enthusiasm for some rather overpriced products, regarded as on the margins of serious contribution to SQ. No, you haven't. However, the implication of shilling, a ridiculous and baseless accusation, is still held by some on HFS. If anyone wants to say that here, I suggest that they walk away from TAS now. We are not about there here, we are just enthusiasts doing what we like doing, which is to enthuse about music and the products that bring us closer to it. @classicrock , Whilst I am more than prepared to discuss my own personal findings on this admittedly contentious subject even to the point of considerations that I must be 'deluded' And that it must be 'all in my head' even from folk who have absolutely ZERO hands on expeariance of the product in question. what I am not prepared to to do is turn the other cheek when I am accused of taking bribes and being asked " how much are you being paid" |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 17, 2018 18:47:58 GMT
I am going to state for the record that any direct and baseless accusations of taking bribes or shilling for a vendor against any member here will be met with an instant and irrevocable ban.
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Sadly, the heavy cables that came as standard with Krell and Levinson aren't available from wholesalers it seems, although I must admit I haven't looked very hard. Anyway, the Mark Grant one for fifty quid is all I suspect many of us really need and that is specified with no 'foo' in its marketing and he builds them well...
