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Post by jandl100 on Sept 22, 2020 13:32:56 GMT
I use them with a little Bluetooth sender plugged into the headphone socket of my amp That's interesting, have you got a link for that, Brian? |
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Post by brian2957 on Sept 22, 2020 14:03:26 GMT
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Post by user211 on Sept 22, 2020 15:03:04 GMT
I reckon that's pants, to be quite frank. I don't mean that to be rude, but I disagree totally. Wasn't Spotify supposed to be going lossless? I heard that Spotify are resisting going lossless as they think their market isn't clamouring for it. Things might have changed since. I can only judge Spoti by how it sounds in my system and I'm more than happy with what I'm getting. I will try Qobuz at some point but not in a rush to pay the extra and also pay a Volumio sub. The only time I guess you might want less rez with classical is for some of the 'legacy recordings'. I honestly think it is my speakers that make it easy to hear the deficiencies in Spotify. I really couldn't listen to it for long and really enjoy it. Then TIDAL came along and I was all smiles. The long treble/mid range ribbon in my Apogees is extremely revealing. |
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Post by user211 on Sept 22, 2020 15:06:34 GMT
Yup, it's cool being able to just move around without having to worry about cables.  Told you so. I lead and eventually you catch on (LOL what a cheeky bugger I am:)) Also those Sony's really are worth checking out. The app for them is great, the EQ being surprisingly good i.e. it doesn't degrade sound quality that much especially when compared to third party equalisers. |
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Post by MartinT on Sept 22, 2020 16:32:47 GMT
That Bluetooth headphone adapter is a further ADC conversion, thought you should know.
I've just compared a track on Qobuz 16/44 with Spotify 320k and the drop in perceived resolution is very small and perfectly acceptable - for most rock music. My system and speakers are also highly revealing.
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Post by user211 on Sept 22, 2020 17:06:31 GMT
I have heard your speakers Martin. The are a very different beast to mine which are definitely more resolving.
You need to hear them to understand that.
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Post by brian2957 on Sept 22, 2020 17:10:52 GMT
That Bluetooth headphone adapter is a further ADC conversion, thought you should know.
Can you elaborate on this please Martin .
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Post by user211 on Sept 22, 2020 17:15:21 GMT
BTW Martin no offense I really like your speakers and Jerry's.
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 22, 2020 17:53:21 GMT
Resolution Wars!
Justin wins.
But that's fine with me, I like my system's sound the way it is.
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Post by MartinT on Sept 22, 2020 20:50:32 GMT
That Bluetooth headphone adapter is a further ADC conversion, thought you should know. Can you elaborate on this please Martin . The headphone jack pushes out an analogue signal. The bluetooth adapter has an ADC to send it digitally and the headphones will have a DAC to convert it back to analogue again. It's not the same as sending digital data via bluetooth, which keeps it always in the digital domain. |
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 23, 2020 4:04:44 GMT
The B&O H7 Bluetooth cans are good.
Pretty much the same as the H6 in sound signature, and they are one of my favourites.
I'm getting used to the touch panel on the right earcup - a centre tap pauses and restarts the music, a swirling motion round the outer edge raises/lowers the volume, a lateral swipe moves on a track.
Neat. But it seems quite easy to inadvertently pause the music if the earcup brushes against a chair or pillow.
There is a fairly faint swish of noise, quite easily heard when the music is quiet. That's a bit disappointing, it's not a Bluetooth thing as it doesn't occur when using Bluetooth with my speaker setup. It's very obvious when the music is paused, as the signal is muted about a second later and the noise then cuts off to silence.
So, I don't think these will be my first choice of cans because of the background swish, but keepers nonetheless for music on the move when a cable is an inconvenience.
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 23, 2020 4:33:24 GMT
Sitting out in the garden now with my Bluetooth-ed H7. Heh, cool. :) How's the 'spang', or lack of it, out there, Jerry? |
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 23, 2020 4:50:05 GMT
Sitting out in the garden now with my Bluetooth-ed H7. Heh, cool. How's the 'spang', or lack of it, out there, Jerry? The B&Os do good spang, Chris. Bluetooth seems to do a good job at conveying it, as well. I can't abide smoothed over spang. Although you can have too much. The H6 and H7 get it about right for me. |
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 23, 2020 4:53:47 GMT
Excellent news!
I hate it when the spang's all wrong.
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 23, 2020 5:02:19 GMT
Yup, it's no good at all if a harpsichord sounds like an out of tune piano!
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Post by user211 on Sept 23, 2020 11:48:16 GMT
The B&O H7 Bluetooth cans are good. Pretty much the same as the H6 in sound signature, and they are one of my favourites. I'm getting used to the touch panel on the right earcup - a centre tap pauses and restarts the music, a swirling motion round the outer edge raises/lowers the volume, a lateral swipe moves on a track. Neat. But it seems quite easy to inadvertently pause the music if the earcup brushes against a chair or pillow. There is a fairly faint swish of noise, quite easily heard when the music is quiet. That's a bit disappointing, it's not a Bluetooth thing as it doesn't occur when using Bluetooth with my speaker setup. It's very obvious when the music is paused, as the signal is muted about a second later and the noise then cuts off to silence. So, I don't think these will be my first choice of cans because of the background swish, but keepers nonetheless for music on the move when a cable is an inconvenience. Interesting. The Sony's of mine produce a faint hiss with no music playing when ambient noise rejection is engaged. Switch ANR off and it goes totally. But the hiss level is so low with ANR it just acts as some super mild dither. Not too bad. And I never hear it with music playing, but hey, I don't listen to classical. |
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 23, 2020 12:08:23 GMT
No, you probably don't get that many quiet bits in the music you listen to  and maybe my hearing is higher resolution than yours?  |
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Post by MartinT on Sept 23, 2020 13:28:21 GMT
Yup, it's no good at all if a harpsichord sounds like an out of tune piano! Would I be right in thinking 'spang' is relating to the leading edge transient that defines a piano as a percussion instrument compared with a harpsichord as being plucked? |
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 23, 2020 13:31:53 GMT
I think that's a very reasonable working definition, Martin!
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 23, 2020 13:59:49 GMT
There seems a never ending stream of 'barely used' Sony WH-1000XM3 cans on ebay. That both makes me wonder why and also tempts me to try a pair!
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and maybe my hearing is higher resolution than yours? 