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Post by MartinT on Feb 8, 2018 14:43:53 GMT
Given that you went back and edited your post after I had thanked you for your response I'm now inclined to think otherwise. What a ridiculous load of old claptrap and I really hope the admins of this site can see the errors of allowing retrospective edits. Scotty, all posts may be edited for up to 24 hours after posting. That's reasonable and allows us to correct errors without embarrassment. |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 8, 2018 14:52:54 GMT
So - if you are not bothered about complying with the regs, and happy to use SR fuses in spite of their lack of kite mark, and you are protected by a 16A breaker on a radial - you might just as well use a copper bar. I'm not bothered about whether the fuse has BS compliance but it's still a fuse and offers a second level of protection. Putting a copper bar in there does not offer the same level of protection, so that's out for me. |
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 8, 2018 14:57:02 GMT
FFS, @ Pinky, How is Martin going to be physically capable of utilising a 13 Amp mains fuse in a 20mil chassis fuse holder ?  |
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Post by scotty38 on Feb 8, 2018 15:12:07 GMT
Given that you went back and edited your post after I had thanked you for your response I'm now inclined to think otherwise. What a ridiculous load of old claptrap and I really hope the admins of this site can see the errors of allowing retrospective edits. Scotty, all posts may be edited for up to 24 hours after posting. That's reasonable and allows us to correct errors without embarrassment. Martin, that's all well and good for the purpose you describe but as I'm sure you can see in this instance it's a little wide of that mark. The retrospective edit in this case is childish at best and had I not quoted him initially would have done nothing but embarrass me for thanking him for such comments. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 15:28:08 GMT
Given that you went back and edited your post after I had thanked you for your response I'm now inclined to think otherwise. What a ridiculous load of old claptrap and I really hope the admins of this site can see the errors of allowing retrospective edits. Scotty, all posts may be edited for up to 24 hours after posting. That's reasonable and allows us to correct errors without embarrassment. I use an iPad mini. I'm crap at typing and the predictive text makes a mess of what I intended to write. On the small screen, i usually miss many typos and I'm forever editing posts to correct them. I hear what you say, Scotty. Being new to a forum often throws up surprises. You could always have edited your reply though. In fact you still can, now that you know the way it works. There is a context here you may not be fully aware of. A banned member egging on "followers" to post his thoughts for him, spam his kit and generally make mischief. Your first post appeared to be essentially identical to one elsewhere where you are also a member, hence the responses you received. It was your first post here, so it will become less and less relevant the more you contribute. As you are relatively new to this forum and others, I hope you stick around and make up your own mind about forums and personalities over a period of time. Sometimes first impressions on all sides can be wrong, If my initial impression of you was incorrect, I apologise. I just want you to understand there is a background against which it was viewed. |
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Post by scotty38 on Feb 8, 2018 15:31:12 GMT
As I said above, edits to fix inaccuracies and suchlike I completely understand. An edit to completely change the tone of a message is another thing altogether.
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Post by pinkie on Feb 8, 2018 16:17:46 GMT
So - if you are not bothered about complying with the regs, and happy to use SR fuses in spite of their lack of kite mark, and you are protected by a 16A breaker on a radial - you might just as well use a copper bar. I'm not bothered about whether the fuse has BS compliance but it's still a fuse and offers a second level of protection. Putting a copper bar in there does not offer the same level of protection, so that's out for me. So you would fit a fused plug in France instead of Shucko's to afford you that required level of protection? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 16:28:22 GMT
I think DSJR is saying that if your equipment is well sorted with speakers correctly matched to amp as well as good room acoustics the effect of fiddling with fuses is of no consequence. That most of these audiophool tweaks are just a sticking plaster that is masking a more fundamental failing if they appear of benefit to some ears. As far as the statement TheMoon keeps repeating is concerned - Why would anyone spend £130 to try an illegal fuse? It's quite clear these fuses don't conform to British Standards. As far as radial circuits are concerned you don't need a fuse for safety reasons. If UK standards are still insisting on this for a radial (grey area and open to interpretation) then they need to catch up with reality. Even on a ring the consumer unit breaker will trip before any fuse blows. Arguably one could fall back on CE regs for radials as they are used in every other EU country without a plug fuse.
BS 546 plugs (round pin) are still permitted in UK as long as socket has shutters. Nothing I can find saying can only be used in commercial premises. That suggests that fuses are not required on appropriate radial circuits.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 8, 2018 17:05:22 GMT
That most of these audiophool tweaks are just a sticking plaster that is masking a more fundamental failing if they appear of benefit to some ears. You'd be wrong. I said way back up this thread that the fuses are the icing on the cake for well sorted systems only. They cannot be a sticking plaster! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 17:47:54 GMT
"Audiophool" is a rather derogatory term. It attempts to paint anyone who keeps an open mind and tries the item as somehow stupid, ignorant or lacking in judgement. I'd argue that judgement is best based on experience. But then I don't believe in challenging what people hear, especially when I haven't tried something for myself.
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Post by nrg on Feb 8, 2018 17:52:40 GMT
There appears to be some slightly confused thinking going on. First - forget round pin BS546 plugs - they are not authorised for domestic use - although they are used in theatres and the like. Really! You might want to re-think this.. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 17:55:00 GMT
There appears to be some slightly confused thinking going on. First - forget round pin BS546 plugs - they are not authorised for domestic use - although they are used in theatres and the like. Really! You might want to re-think this.. I did wonder....... i havent heard that said before. I have no idea what the score is but it would be nice to clarify one way or the other for those able to adopt them. |
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Post by pinkie on Feb 8, 2018 17:55:39 GMT
Yes Andrew
Audiophool is bound to provoke a reaction, although sometimes terms can be short-hand and not specifically derogatory.
DSJR's basic point was sound though. These phenomena of audio appear only to apply to reproducing the stuff from the recording medium, and not getting it onto the medium in the first place.
You can be sure about one thing - you were right that a thread like this must be good for business. I bet the snakes are running for cover!
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Post by dsjr on Feb 8, 2018 18:07:06 GMT
Errrrr, Most interesting dsjr were someone asking for assistance in creating an recording studio sound field with their home system, however of no practical application to the subject of this thread. Those monitors should in theory, give the kind of accuracy and fine detailing that Martin is trying to achieve with his complex passive speakers driven by an external amp via lengths of ever-more expensive speaker cable and whatnot attached in boxes at the speaker end. I'm not even pushing the ATC's I had and loved either, as I don't think they'd be 'detailed' enough unless driven to the max. Anyway, that's enough from me, I can't say more as I did the fuse thing thirty years ago and moved on as many here will too once this has died down  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 18:40:15 GMT
Yes Andrew Audiophool is bound to provoke a reaction, although sometimes terms can be short-hand and not specifically derogatory. DSJR's basic point was sound though. These phenomena of audio appear only to apply to reproducing the stuff from the recording medium, and not getting it onto the medium in the first place. You can be sure about one thing - you were right that a thread like this must be good for business. I bet the snakes are running for cover! Yep, the more "resistance" (sorry, couldn't "resist" lol) the naysayers put out there, the more energy they give to the SR fuse bandwagon. Next they will probably try to get them banned. Have they learned nothing from The Sex Pistols? I can see the advert now: The fuses they didn't want you to hear: Get them while you still can!  |
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 8, 2018 20:40:09 GMT
Errrrr, Most interesting dsjr were someone asking for assistance in creating an recording studio sound field with their home system, however of no practical application to the subject of this thread. Anyway, that's enough from me, I can't say more as I did the fuse thing thirty years ago and moved on as many here will too once this has died down But.....You did not have access to the latest fuses or the level of fuse that we are discussing in this thread did you ? Ergo try one and report back or cease posting your past experience as it is of no real relevance here. |
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Post by Slinger on Feb 8, 2018 21:10:22 GMT
Anyway, that's enough from me, I can't say more as I did the fuse thing thirty years ago and moved on as many here will too once this has died down But.....You did not have access to the latest fuses or the level of fuse that we are discussing in this thread did you ? Ergo try one and report back or cease posting your past experience as it is of no real relevance here. I hardly think it's your job to tell people what they should, or shouldn't post, let alone tell them to stop posting. Might I suggest to everyone that they respect the title of the post, and the poster, and stop using it to settle perceived old scores? Just a suggestion of course, not an order. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 21:12:45 GMT
 Surely this now beats the usual "cables make/don't make a difference" threads? |
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Post by Greg on Feb 8, 2018 21:31:36 GMT
I’ve now had time to listen to the copper replacement ‘fuses’. Im pretty well tuned into my setup as I’m sure you all are with yours, mine hasn’t change for about three years except for the odd turntable or three. I can detect differences in interconnects, cartridge VTF/VTA, valves etc. some changes are subtle some not so so I’m confident in my ability in detecting differences. I tried them in both my phono/preamp and power amp. And combinations of the two with a wide variety of music. I can honestly say I cannot hear any differences at all between the standard 13amp fuse and the copper rod. If there is a difference it’s well below my threshold of hearing or my gear is not resolving it or maybe the stars aren’t aligned for me. I’ll go for the latter. Anyhow, bottom line, I’m not investing, I’m out! Have fun! Thank you Neal. I much appreciate your report here for, as you know, having known and shared with you for many years, I trust your ears. I am surprised you found no difference but that might be because of point of application, ie. mains supply. I distinctly remember, back in the old WAD forum days, we experimented with different equipment internal fuses and I was clearly sure that swapping out the standard 1.6A slow blow chassis fuse for a 5A equivillant brought an improvement to the sound with my old WAD KaT88 amp. A more solid and authoritive sound. Having said that, I can find no arguement to justify buying into these foo fuses. The SR website is stuffed with unscientific marketing rubbish which in itself should raise thoughts of caution for any potential buyer. Of course, the bottom line is they are not legal. |
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 8, 2018 22:06:33 GMT
But.....You did not have access to the latest fuses or the level of fuse that we are discussing in this thread did you ? Ergo try one and report back or cease posting your past experience as it is of no real relevance here. I hardly think it's your job to tell people what they should, or shouldn't post, let alone tell them to stop posting. Might I suggest to everyone that they respect the title of the post, and the poster, and stop using it to settle perceived old scores? Just a suggestion of course, not an order. And it is yours ? I rather consider my ' suggested ' course of action of DSJR to be entirely along the lines of " respect the title of the post, and the poster" Might I suggest that your considerations on the point I made regarding 30 years of fuse ' development' if any, would have been much more useful and interesting. |
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