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Post by scotty38 on Feb 7, 2018 19:16:09 GMT
Welcome to TAS, Scotty. Not a good start for your first post, however. How does anything Tony posted relate to his dealers? Thank you and apologies if that's how my first post comes across. I asked the question simply as it's one of his dealers "promoting" the fuses so just asking if there's any relationship involved that could possibly bias comments as to their effectiveness or not. There may be none of course but that was why I asked. Hope that's allowed in the interests of fairness and if I've got this totally wrong then again accept my apologies again and happy for my question to be removed. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 19:18:55 GMT
No axe to grind here from me either. First post here and you may have no axe to grind but a vested interest in your dealers surely? FFS: Yet another kamikaze pilot from "The land of the rising Dunn"  |
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Post by scotty38 on Feb 7, 2018 19:58:25 GMT
First post here and you may have no axe to grind but a vested interest in your dealers surely? FFS: Yet another kamikaze pilot from "The land of the rising Dunn" Thanks for the input. Can you help with my (imo reasonable) question? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 20:08:07 GMT
FFS: Yet another kamikaze pilot from "The land of the rising Dunn" Thanks for the input. Can you help with my (imo reasonable) question? Gladly. Let Savvypaul ask his own questions here if he wants and don't act as a glove puppet for him. I'm sick and tired of people treading shit picked up from there onto our nice clean carpets. Bringing arguments from other forums isn't wanted here. Surely any crap stirred up on the EOTW should be a prime example. Given that your first post here is parroting crap from EOTW, what sort of welcome do you expect? Also, as Macca once said, you can't go round slagging the landlord and regulars of a bar, then turn up there expecting a warm welcome. |
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Post by scotty38 on Feb 7, 2018 20:11:48 GMT
Ok thank you
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 20:14:05 GMT
No axe to grind here from me either. First post here and you may have no axe to grind but a vested interest in your dealers surely? Scotty Not sure really where you are coming from on this as we do not retail Any aftermarket fuses to dealers herein the UK Synergistic fuses are distributed by another UK distributor not ourselves. Other aftermarket fuses are available from a number of outlets through out the country Personally I use aftermarket fuses in my system just one UK mains and four equipment case fuses I just do not push products, people are free to make their own minds up after working out whether or not the individual feels they make a difference. unlike those that fly under the radar and attempt sales sub-defuse with a dark force of annonted underlinings who hang off the chief pointy heads rhetorics and bile much like the hard right policts of certain European countries another case of loathsome bell end trimming from small minded large ego centric individuals with inferiority complexes who evangilise the gospel of saint Normally Valum Appiled |
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Post by scotty38 on Feb 7, 2018 20:18:52 GMT
First post here and you may have no axe to grind but a vested interest in your dealers surely? Scotty Not sure really where you are coming from on this as we do not retail Any aftermarket fuses to dealers herein the UK Synergistic fuses are distributed by another UK distributor not ourselves. Other aftermarket fuses are available from a number of outlets through out the country Personally I use aftermarket fuses in my system just one UK mains and four equipment case fuses I just do not push products, people are free to make their own minds up after working out whether or not the individual feels they make a differnce Thank you for the clarification, you've answered precisely what I was asking, even if I wasn't very clear myself.... |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 7, 2018 20:25:08 GMT
Thanks for clearing that up, Tony.
Let's move on folks. This thread is about fuses and their effects.
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 8, 2018 2:34:28 GMT
Thus far I have found that The SR ranges of fuses with which I have been experimenting have produced a greater degree of positive effect whilst swapping out the chassis mounted 20 mil power rail fuses on individual items of equipment, over swapping out the 13 Amp mains wall fuses, which in theory may well be result of running the raw mains via AG 1500 units first.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 6:13:40 GMT
I have not received a response to my question specifically about the BS standards conformity from SR, soI can only assume that the answer is that they do not conform, and there is no kitemark on the fuses which is why nobody here was able to answer to question.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 8, 2018 6:52:11 GMT
Thus far I have found that The SR ranges of fuses with which I have been experimenting have produced a greater degree of positive effect whilst swapping out the chassis mounted 20 mil power rail fuses on individual items of equipment, over swapping out the 13 Amp mains wall fuses, which in theory may well be result of running the raw mains via AG 1500 units first. Thanks. I haven't even begun to look at chassis mounted fuses yet, but you've reminded me that the Caimans in general have a PCB protection fuse for the DC input and the SEG probably does, too. That's got to be worth a try, and I have a 20mm SR Red which I've just taken out of the P10. I'll get to that as soon as I can. |
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 8, 2018 9:04:34 GMT
I would be most interested in your initial considerations Martin, after moving that 20 mil around post your P10, since we are running similar mains treatment in between wall socket and system equipment.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 8, 2018 10:29:18 GMT
I'll probably do it tomorrow and will let you know what I hear (if anything). Interestingly, the Caiman sips power and it's DC so quite different conditions for the fuse.
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 8, 2018 10:43:57 GMT
Indeed that may have some barring on results if any, were I to make a recommendation I would look to the mains chassis fuse on your Pass Labs XP-20 and take the plunge anyway on a Blue, you would be looking at an 20mil 0.5 A Slow Blow for UK voltage
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Post by tonyone on Feb 8, 2018 11:49:36 GMT
Thanks for clearing that up, Tony. Let's move on folks. This thread is about fuses and their effects. I know often difficult as it's a 'other half job' but have any blind test been done on the various fuses you guys have been buying? Or is it a swap over and leave in. |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 8, 2018 13:02:43 GMT
No, I don't do blind tests with only myself being present!!
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Post by dsjr on Feb 8, 2018 13:14:43 GMT
Just think of the gear used in a recording studio, sometimes/often creating the most amazing sounding recordings and not one jot of bothering with cable direction, fuses and other audiophool stuff. What they DO usually try to do is get the best and most revealing possible monitors able to explore the furthest reaches of the soundfield, position them properly and if necessary, have the playback environment carefully optimised acoustically. I feel you need to optimise the essential bits first and the add-ons will not be necessary. I can't explain it better by typing and of course I can't demonstrate what I'm trying to get across.
I don't know where they'd be available for a dem, but I think Martin, you should at least try to get a listen to some of these...
sxpro.co.uk/barefoot-micromain27
P.S. Oh hell, the pro finish version of the ATC100A's I used to own and love are now fourteen grand the pair and the domestic tower versions even more I think (£18,350 :cry: ). How the mighty have fallen (me) and all for a hopefully better life - yeah, right...
If the above doesn't suit, do belles make a larger amp than the one you have? I bet that would offer some upgrade of the sound rather more fundamental than the mains fuses and little wooden boxes across the speaker terminals you've fitted... All that you hear should be measurable and believe me, just altering the level by 1/4db is enough for our brains to process a change, even if our minds can't quite 'get' what's been done (had this done to me and in an amp comparison I did here at the weekend using headphones, I kept getting reversed opinions 'purely' due to minute level changes)... I can't explain what I'm trying to say any clearer I'm afraid, but in my personal experience we are SO easily fooled if purely subjective attitudes prevail - oh, and my ears are currently 'working' as well as they've done before the recent infections effed them up in recent times, for which I'm eternally thankful.. |
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Post by scotty38 on Feb 8, 2018 14:17:00 GMT
First post here and you may have no axe to grind but a vested interest in your dealers surely? Scotty Not sure really where you are coming from on this as we do not retail Any aftermarket fuses to dealers herein the UK Synergistic fuses are distributed by another UK distributor not ourselves. Other aftermarket fuses are available from a number of outlets through out the country Personally I use aftermarket fuses in my system just one UK mains and four equipment case fuses I just do not push products, people are free to make their own minds up after working out whether or not the individual feels they make a difference. unlike those that fly under the radar and attempt sales sub-defuse with a dark force of annonted underlinings who hang off the chief pointy heads rhetorics and bile much like the hard right policts of certain European countries another case of loathsome bell end trimming from small minded large ego centric individuals with inferiority complexes who evangilise the gospel of saint Normally Valum Appiled Given that you went back and edited your post after I had thanked you for your response I'm now inclined to think otherwise. What a ridiculous load of old claptrap and I really hope the admins of this site can see the errors of allowing retrospective edits. |
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Post by pinkie on Feb 8, 2018 14:25:47 GMT
I'm very happy with my decision making, thank you all. There is plenty of protection and my setup complies with what my sparky has told me is required. The fuses are CE rated which is good enough to ensure that they act as fuses. I also have a fast breaker to back them up. nrg I cannot use round pins since the P10 has 13A sockets on the back. More importantly, these fuses help my system to sound better. Last night I have never heard the system sound so good. Playing a mixture of live and studio recordings, everything gave me a little more. The burn-in process continues. I shall be buying two more Blues at least, for my preamp and power amp. There appears to be some slightly confused thinking going on. First - forget round pin BS546 plugs - they are not authorised for domestic use - although they are used in theatres and the like. If your fuses are CE rated (sic) then by definition they are not BS 1362 approved. If your concern is safety, then using a copper bar is as safe (or dangerous) as Wonky and I using Shucko's provided they are used on a radial circuit protected by a 16A breaker. Unlike Wonky and my situation, that does not comply with local regulations, but its every bit as safe or as dangerous (depending on your perspective). The regulations require all electrical devices connecting to the domestic mains (except some shavers etc) to do so with a BS1363 plug. That plug must be fitted with a fuse conforming to BS1362. The purpose of the fuse is to protect the cable from the BS1363 plug to the device, since it is permissible to plug that into a ring circuit protected by a 32A breaker, and that is not sufficient current protection to prevent the cable being damaged dangerously. The fact that you happen to be plugged into a circuit protected by a 16A (or less) breaker, doesn't mean that the requirement to use a BS1363 plug fitted with a BS1362 fuse goes away (There are provisions for equivalent standards, from other than BS authorising bodies, but lets not confuse things) So, if your concern is to comply with the regs, and not mere safety, for an electrical appliance connected to mains in a domestic situation, you need a BS1363 plug and BS1362 fuse fitted in it. So copper bars are out. And SR fuses are out. Why? The bloody great giveaway is that one of the requirements of the BS 1362 standard is that the fuse in question should bear the BSI kitemark and BS1362 written on it. So - if you are not bothered about complying with the regs, and happy to use SR fuses in spite of their lack of kite mark, and you are protected by a 16A breaker on a radial - you might just as well use a copper bar. I would also be cautious about using SR fuses from your plugs in your appliance fusing. Appliance fuses do not have to conform to BS1362, and often will have different characteristics from regular plug fuses (like slow-blow). Moreover, they are usually significantly lower value - their purpose being to protect the equipment, not the cable from the wall. That appliance protection function will be part of the CE certification in many cases, and modifying the device by using the wrong fuse (or supplying live power to the unfused blue wire) may affect that CE conformity. My Pip has a 250ma fuse and fitting a 13amp item would be equivalent to a copper bar. SR provide a wide range of fuse values for this purpose, but you can't just go reusing an SR 13amp fuse you have spare in any appliance. |
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 8, 2018 14:35:53 GMT
Errrrr, Most interesting dsjr were someone asking for assistance in creating an recording studio sound field with their home system, however of no practical application to the subject of this thread.
I cannot be bothered crafting another responce so excuse me for the following cut and paste from an earlier post.
"You must have at least a couple of chassis fuses on your equipment No?
Since there is a 30 day sale or return option available on SR fuses why not seek empirical evaluation for yourself?
That way, and despite whatever results, either Pro or Negative, you will be able to comment from a position of self knowledge, your opinion at least carrying some degree of gravitas"
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