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Post by MartinT on Feb 5, 2018 15:55:53 GMT
My hifi is on radial cct, Iam going to replace the Fuses with 1/4” copper rod to see if there really is any mileage in this. Take care that you have good fast breaker protection at the consumer unit if you do this. Some radials (like mine) have 60A capability (but with a 20A breaker) but others may have a higher rated current breaker. The differential sense (trip) current should be low and marked on the breaker.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 5, 2018 15:58:59 GMT
You see chaps, so many of you lot are talking about the effin' SOUND all the time and NOT ONE COMMENT about the music! Of course we're talking about the music really. What else would we listen to (although some would listen to steam trains given the chance)? By the way, I do usually mention the music I'm listening to when I write a review.
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Post by nrg on Feb 5, 2018 16:20:00 GMT
Music signals are not symmetrical but the mains supply should be. Interconnects can be constructed so they are directional, a fuse cannot.v I'm aware of that, but music signals cross the zero point which was my meaning. As for fuses being directional, I just put them in so the current flow is left-to-right when reading the label, the same as I do with any unmarked cables. It's the way SR suggest. Curious, current flow left to right....in an Mains supply which is AC... I've made up my fuse replacements:
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Post by nrg on Feb 5, 2018 16:22:59 GMT
My hifi is on radial cct, Iam going to replace the Fuses with 1/4” copper rod to see if there really is any mileage in this. Take care that you have good fast breaker protection at the consumer unit if you do this. Some radials (like mine) have 60A capability (but with a 20A breaker) but others may have a higher rated current breaker. The differential sense (trip) current should be low and marked on the breaker. Thank you, but I'm fine. I have two radial cct's actually both using 20A breakers.
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Post by Greg on Feb 5, 2018 16:30:49 GMT
I'm aware of that, but music signals cross the zero point which was my meaning. As for fuses being directional, I just put them in so the current flow is left-to-right when reading the label, the same as I do with any unmarked cables. It's the way SR suggest. Curious, current flow left to right....in an Mains supply which is AC... I've made up my fuse replacements: Hi Neal, I hope all is good with you. Please can you let us know what you think of the copper rod and any perceived impact on sound quality. Thanks.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 5, 2018 17:26:35 GMT
Curious, current flow left to right....in an Mains supply which is AC... Poor choice of phrase, I should have simply said directionality!
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Post by dsjr on Feb 5, 2018 17:49:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 19:02:17 GMT
Curious, current flow left to right....in an Mains supply which is AC... Poor choice of phrase, I should have simply said directionality! As current flow in an AC circuit changes direction, which way round do you put the fuse? It is all very con"fuse"ing about how a directional fuse will work in an AC circuit. I think all the pseudo science and technical gobbledegook is just BS. The only way to se if these work, is going to be to try one but as I said before, I am too tight to try. I am glad that they are giving people a performance increase though.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 5, 2018 19:38:20 GMT
As current flow in an AC circuit changes direction, which way round do you put the fuse? Input to output as you read the label left to right.
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Post by Slinger on Feb 5, 2018 19:52:25 GMT
Frequently asked questions. Q: Are fuses directional? A: Yes, fuses are directional. Electricity should flow from the left to the right when you view the fuse. If you do not know the direction of flow you should listen to the fuse inserted in both directions. One direction will sound more detailed. This is the correct way. www.synergisticresearch.com/fuses/blue/
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Post by pinkie on Feb 6, 2018 8:36:40 GMT
The only way to se if these work, is going to be to try one but as I said before, I am too tight to try. I am glad that they are giving people a performance increase though. Actually - that would only demonstrate that you notice differences when you play with gizmo's. Although internally we can be happy that we notice a change, it doesn't mean there was a change to notice. There is just too much research on this, and I don't subscribe to the view that audiophiles are aliens from another planet. The "Foo Tell" has been apparent for some time on this subject. That "Tell" that "litmus test" is a collective agreement regarding an improbable phenomena, WHICH IS READILY CAPABLE OF DEMONSTRATION IF TRUE, but nobody ever seeks to properly demonstrate, instead relying on an appeal to faith. Whilst Mad Moon has carefully covered his back, and only hears differences after hours of warm up and burn in (which renders a sensible blind test all but impossible), MartinT and MikeMusic (and his wife) apparently can hear fuse differences straight out of the box. Which means anyone wanting to nail this dispute could easily do a blind demonstration where someone changes the fuses randomly without the gifted auditioner being aware of which fuse they are listening to. DC would point out that the test needs to be double blind to PROVE the fuse effect, and he is scientifically correct, but in my experience at PT, there is no need for such elaborate procedures, since the demonstration will fall at the first hurdle. And before the howl goes up, of course there is no need for a music enthusiast to prove anything. They can all just enjoy what they experience. But accept that all that PROVES is they experience something, and not offer their experiences as evidence that a phenomena exists. This saves the need for "its weird isn't it"? It's not weird - its well established psychology.
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 6, 2018 9:33:15 GMT
Yeh well, How Utterly tedious of you,
You must have at least a couple of chassis fuses on your equipment No.
Since there is a 30 day sale or return option available on SR fuses why not seek empirical evaluation for yourself? That way, and despite whatever results, either Pro or Negative, you will be able to comment from a position of self knowledge, your opinion at least carrying some degree of gravitas ... rather than Carping on and on and on from a position of Abject Ignorance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 9:44:11 GMT
My only objection to these fuses is price and the fact that being imported, and no evidence provided of compliance with British Standards, they may be illegal. Actually they may ironically be more dangerous than bypassing the plug fuse in certain circumstances. £130 is far too much to even try and return. I wonder if many customers are plainly too embarrassed and too well off to bother returning them if they hear little benefit.
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 6, 2018 9:52:47 GMT
Oh I quite agree, they are ridiculously expensive for a bloody fuse, however I am less sure about your non returns conspiracy theory though.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 6, 2018 9:54:16 GMT
I wonder if many customers are plainly too embarrassed and too well off to bother returning them if they hear little benefit. I have returned things that don't work and would not be embarrassed to return these, too. I'm just reporting it as I hear it.
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 6, 2018 10:08:04 GMT
I wonder if many customers are plainly too embarrassed and too well off to bother returning them if they hear little benefit. I have returned things that don't work and would not be embarrassed to return these, too. I'm just reporting it as I hear it. Concur with this, For instance I have demoed and returned a number of *Highly Expecive * big reputation big brand speaker cables this year preferring my £300 second hand Magnans, never flinched once, and ultimately pleased with both system and bank balance .
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Post by julesd68 on Feb 6, 2018 14:27:38 GMT
Since there is a 30 day sale or return option available on SR fuses why not seek empirical evaluation for yourself? Seeing that you feel so strongly about these fuses Richard, maybe now is the time to try one as suggested?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 14:54:08 GMT
I have returned things that don't work and would not be embarrassed to return these, too. I'm just reporting it as I hear it. Concur with this, For instance I have demoed and returned a number of *Highly Expecive * big reputation big brand speaker cables this year preferring my £300 second hand Magnans, never flinched once, and ultimately pleased with both system and bank balance . Similarly I tried some really expensive Nordost cables a few years back that a Dealer insisted were significantly better than the ones I had. Plugged them in and they sounded thin and bland, so they went straight back and I kept what I had at the time. If we hadn't just had our son, I would certainly be trying out these Fuses, but alas priorities.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 15:26:28 GMT
I will definitely be trying these in the future. Got an imminent move ahead of me, so now isn't the time. I've sent stuff back before when it hasn't been an improvement, and I can't see many people keeping a £130 fuse if it didn't show an improvement that warranted the expense.
Where I'm still stuck is in understanding the naysayers who haven't even tried them. Why do they even care? I decided many years ago that tabloids wrre a pile of shite, but I have no interest in trying to stop others "reading" them.
I also wouldn't automatically agree that these fuses cannot be "better" than no fuse at all. Gazjam reported they were better than a copper bar and I look forward to trying that experiment myself at some point. If "no fuse" is better, then I will use "no fuse". If the quantum fuses sound better, I will say so and buy more. As I don't know how they affect signal or perception, I make no assumptions either way until I try.
Naturally BS kite marks are of no interest or relevance to me, but if I lived in the UK I wouldn't give a shite about a kite mark. They would clearly perform their designated job of protecting the cable. The specs are thre to be seen.
The part I find funniest of all is that the manufacturer and retailers are getting so much free publicity as a result of the debates fuelled largely by the detractors. They must be in stitches!
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Post by nrg on Feb 6, 2018 16:32:28 GMT
.... Naturally BS kite marks are of no interest or relevance to me, but if I lived in the UK I wouldn't give a shite about a kite mark. They would clearly perform their designated job of protecting the cable. The specs are thre to be seen. The part I find funniest of all is that the manufacturer and retailers are getting so much free publicity as a result of the debates fuelled largely by the detractors. They must be in stitches! Just as well you don’t reside in the UK. The BSI clearly state that any fuse inside a plug must be certified in accordance with BS1362 Printed specs are fine but that does not prove the device will perform to specification. This is what standards testing bodies are there to do. What was that saying, there is no such thing as bad publicity?.........works until something goes seriously wrong.
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