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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 19:06:32 GMT
Apparently, they are directional as well?
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Post by AlanS on Feb 4, 2018 19:26:23 GMT
Apparently the retailer of electrical items has legal obligations and cannot avoid them by “take it up with the manufacturer”. After all they could be dangerous.
Your Trading Standards folks will advise.
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Post by jayman67 on Feb 4, 2018 19:31:45 GMT
@david Brooks. Could you confirm that these fuses have the appropriate UK/EU safety mark on them? Simon (strange behaviour from you I have to say) and other folks its the manufacturer you should be contacting, there are 100's of sellers worldwide offering these fuses for sale. If you have concerns about the fuses being fit for purpose take it up with the manufacturer. Here you are www.synergisticresearch.com/contact/you mean to say your selling them and dont know? lol
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Post by julesd68 on Feb 4, 2018 19:50:55 GMT
Apparently, they are directional as well? LOL - some people think they are, in one user review "there’s definitely one way that sounds correct"
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Post by MartinT on Feb 4, 2018 21:29:56 GMT
If cables can be directional (and they can be) then there's no reason to rule it out for fuses.
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 4, 2018 21:30:38 GMT
Yes, they can be directional depending upon brand, another feckin mystery, tho having actually tried them rather than pontificate from a position of ignorance I am in a position to state so,
I would be most interested to be directed toward any information, any information at all, in which these fuses have A failed to fuse at their manufactured rating within a fault condition, or B caused any damage to any equipment or household by doing so ?
Or are you merely a pack of scaremongering old women either too tight or too afraid to try them.
PS. Not aimed specifically at yourself WC
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 21:50:46 GMT
Me? Too tight. £100 a pop is not going to happen right now when there is other stuff I would rather buy.
Please note, I am only talking about the internal equipment fuses here, as I am full Schuko'd up as far as mains goes.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 4, 2018 21:54:16 GMT
The cable directionality question is an interesting one, and no I cannot explain it.
There's a very easy test you can perform to hear cable directionality for yourself. Take one speaker cable (either channel) and reverse it, i.e. the end that went into the speakers goes into the amplifier and vice versa. Now listen. Does the image shift or is it slightly unbalanced sounding? It certainly is with mine. It doesn't need to change much to prove that cables can indeed be directional.
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 4, 2018 22:02:20 GMT
As am I, other than two 13Amp wall fuses SR of course, I would like to go dedicated spur however the logistics and disturbance involved would guarantee an expensive divorce.
I am tho mulling over a dedicated line to a CU on the adjacent outside wall.
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Post by julesd68 on Feb 4, 2018 22:31:56 GMT
The fuses are clearly not designed to be 'directional' unlike some cables. Whether people believe they can perceive a difference is another matter ...
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 4, 2018 22:50:09 GMT
From the SR FAQ,
Frequently asked questions. Q: Are fuses directional? A: Yes, fuses are directional. Electricity should flow from the left to the right when you view the fuse. If you do not know the direction of flow you should listen to the fuse inserted in both directions. One direction will sound more detailed. This is the correct way. Q: Do fuses have a burn in period? A: Yes, most products have a settling in period. The first 200-300 hours of use are the most crucial.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 6:42:51 GMT
So, to fully assess the fuse, you need to listen to music (or leave the system powered up) for 10 hours a day throughout the home trial period? This always amuses me. I am sure that the fuses make a difference (as I would not call anybody here a liar), but I would still rather spend the money on more vinyl.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 5, 2018 7:05:34 GMT
So, to fully assess the fuse, you need to listen to music (or leave the system powered up) for 10 hours a day throughout the home trial period? This always amuses me. I am sure that the fuses make a difference (as I would not call anybody here a liar), but I would still rather spend the money on more vinyl. Not with the Blue fuses, which sound better immediately and then improve a little more with use. The Red fuses also sounded better, but not to the same extent. I've never used the Black ones but they have the reputation of requiring extended burn-in.
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Post by Greg on Feb 5, 2018 10:20:35 GMT
From the SR FAQ, Frequently asked questions. Q: Are fuses directional? A: Yes, fuses are directional. Electricity should flow from the left to the right when you view the fuse. If you do not know the direction of flow you should listen to the fuse inserted in both directions. One direction will sound more detailed. This is the correct way. Q: Do fuses have a burn in period? A: Yes, most products have a settling in period. The first 200-300 hours of use are the most crucial. Clearly SR need a science lesson. We are talking about fuses in AC arn’t we? www.dummies.com/education/science/science-electronics/electronics-basics-direct-and-alternating-current/
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Post by MartinT on Feb 5, 2018 10:25:25 GMT
Cables carrying signals are effectively passing AC, too. Doesn't stop them from being directional. Bizarre.
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Post by Slinger on Feb 5, 2018 13:31:09 GMT
I think the amusement sets in when the manufacturers describe the fuses as directional but don't know themselves which direction they're directional in, hence the "try them one way and then the other and see which is best" instructions. At least cables claiming to be directional usually have helpful arrows on them.
The amount of marketing-speak bollox doesn't help either, what with "Quantum Tunneling" and the mystical "UEF treatment" which apparently improves everything from cables to acoustic panels, and not forgetting the magic ingredient, and current buzz-word, graphene of course.
I would never be able to justify buying one (or more) so I'll never know unequivocally if they do, or do not, work, but at least they've given me a free chuckle, for which I thank them.
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Post by nrg on Feb 5, 2018 14:21:20 GMT
Cables carrying signals are effectively passing AC, too. Doesn't stop them from being directional. Bizarre. Music signals are not symmetrical but the mains supply should be. Interconnects can be constructed so they are directional, a fuse cannot.v
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Post by nrg on Feb 5, 2018 14:25:12 GMT
My hifi is on radial cct, Iam going to replace the Fuses with 1/4” copper rod to see if there really is any mileage in this.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 5, 2018 15:47:57 GMT
Music signals are not symmetrical but the mains supply should be. Interconnects can be constructed so they are directional, a fuse cannot.v I'm aware of that, but music signals cross the zero point which was my meaning. As for fuses being directional, I just put them in so the current flow is left-to-right when reading the label, the same as I do with any unmarked cables. It's the way SR suggest.
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Post by dsjr on Feb 5, 2018 15:54:52 GMT
Once upon a time, I was anal about fuse and interconnect directionality, mad really but I thought I heard a 'difference.' What killed it for me was replacing a major item I'd 'tweaked' that way with something 'straight out of the box' that out-performed it in every way, making all my so-called 'tweaks' redundant at a stroke.
The interconnects I often use now (NVA) have absolutely no direction to them and even other cables I thought had, seem to 'settle' into whatever 'way round' they're placed within a very short time. Worst by miles was the long obsolete Chord 'Solid' which when raw, was so bad that if one of a pair was placed the 'wrong way round,' the perceived stereo image shifted over - these cables were microwave frequency cables I remember with a solid silver? core in a flexible copper pipe.
You see chaps, so many of you lot are talking about the effin' SOUND all the time and NOT ONE COMMENT about the music! Twenty five years ago, I had a system capable of excellent 'sound, realistic dynamics and levels of 115db in-room (excruciating but well able to do a well recorded drum kit justice in real life dynamics). Today, my geriatric antique stereos play THE MUSIC's emotional connection to me superbly and enable me to suspend disbelief in whatever gear I'm listening through and 'HiFi Sound' be damned. Lest you think I'm going mental, my opinion is that most valve-n-vinyl lovers do this automatically and in all honesty, don't effin' care, despite objective repeatable fact supposedly telling us these sources and amps are 'inferior' to the best available today...
If you really derive great pleasure from replacing a mains fuse, even in situations where it's not strictly necessary and you can afford this kind of expense, then fine, but just remember that a few years down the line, you'll wonder what all the fuss was about after some components have been upgraded.
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