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Post by TheMooN on Feb 2, 2018 4:36:43 GMT
The company manufacturing the AG1500 mains regenerator is entirely open in their specification and design ethos of their product as a mains regenerator, some members have commented on the favourable efficiency of that product, whilst another member has remarked that he has measured its ability to perform its primary function quite adequately.
Are you saying that you are entirely comfortable with another member that retails a competing product ( at considerable cost inflation ) commenting that "it's not a proper regenerator" without a shred of empirical evidence, is not a defamatory statment ?
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Post by MartinT on Feb 2, 2018 7:13:33 GMT
Read back in the thread. I made the same statement about the P10. It works differently and doesn't regenerate a mains waveform. Rather, it repairs the incoming waveform on the fly. The AG1500 may well work the same way, I couldn't comment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 7:13:48 GMT
Seeing all this ire over: A) A fuse that nobody is required to try or (God forbid) listen to and decide to keep! B) A mains regenerator that isn't exactly on everyone's Christmas list. I wonder what would happen if people turned their attention to issues such as world hunger, human trafficking, drug cartels etc etc. Maybe we need Slinger to breathe fresh life into the Trump thread.  I'm sure David Brook could stock the AG1500 if he felt it worthwhile. He's regularly commented on trying lots of bits and deciding what to stock. The fact he doesn't stock the AG1500 and sells alternatives is most likely by choice, We are also used to his colourful language. His comments about a "proper regenerator" appear to me to be analogous to Crocodile Dundee"s famous "That's not a knife.....This is a knife!" Quote. Dave C was correct in observing that his words and David Brook's appear to have been mixed up, but it's easy to see how the confusion occurred when looking at post content and order, The same confusion appears to have occurred again when Dave C felt TheMoon was addressing him when he appears to have been addressing David Brook. I'm still not sure that any of this makes anyone a "buffoon" but seeing such a colourful word this early in the morning did make me smile. I will now be attaching this word in my head to anyone who irks me today! Really, chaps: TAS is too genteel a place for "pistols at dawn". I'm sure there are other places more suited to raging about matters of little significance if anyone feels the urge pulsing through their forehead. Come on: Lighten up and chill! We'll all go to bed warm and nourished tonight and with a bit of luck we will all wake up to do it all again tomorrow. Now can we address something more important, such as the woeful lack of decent emoticons on this forum!   |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 10:50:04 GMT
If this thread carries on like this, someone is going to pop an (expensive) fuse.
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Post by julesd68 on Feb 2, 2018 10:57:13 GMT
I've got a Power Inspired AG500. I didn't buy it to get some kind of sound 'upgrade' - I got it as it delivers a rock steady 230v which suits my several euro voltage components better. So far I have found it very reliable and quiet, very pleased I bought it ... Would I be tempted to try a fancy fuse in the cable feeding it? Well I'd be more tempted to spend the dosh on vinyl, but you never know, just for fun I might try one but I'd get a second-hand one to make sure it's properly burnt in ...  |
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Post by AlanS on Feb 2, 2018 11:52:15 GMT
I wonder how many extra fuses Mr Brook has sold thanks to this thread?
It is interesting to see how people react to the possibility of something that might make a difference.
Curiosity vs desire for something.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 2, 2018 13:52:09 GMT
Does it matter? Those with a good enough system who try them generally don't return them. Those who complain about the price perhaps don't understand the concept of value. The improvement, to me, is easily worth the price when compared with a component upgrade.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 14:43:28 GMT
I was interested to read Brian's comments above. His system isn't a megabucks affair and yet still big improvements were reported. Now I know it's heresy to suggest these fuses may be judged "better" than no fuse at all, but I don't see it as an impossibility. Whatever mechanisms are at work and whether they are objectively/measurably better is irrelevant IMO. We can only experience sound and music subjectively. If it sounds better to you, the. It is,
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 2, 2018 15:22:50 GMT
Just replaced the SR Red 20 mil mains power rail fuses in my Mono blocks with new SR Blue so running pre and power all Blue, system warming up and I shall give the fuses 3 hours run time before settling down for a critical listen.
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Post by The Brookmeister on Feb 2, 2018 17:37:06 GMT
Sorry but some folks just don't seem to get it. These fuses are an up-grade to your hifi system, if you buy one and don't like the results send it back for a refund. Plenty of retailers to buy it from besides me, in fact most off here have bought them elsewhere anyway so who cares, I don't. I am entitled to my opinion about anything I care to type about, if I think something is pants that's my opinion and I won't be offering any proof or anything else to substantiate my own opinion. I am sure there are thousands of happy AG owners worldwide, I prefer my PS Audio P10 and have just ordered a P20 which has 13 sockets and 2kw of regenerated mains, can't wait to get it. Have a nice weekend peeps, chief's, fellas and dudes. |
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 2, 2018 18:06:27 GMT
My theory regarding aftermarket fuses and the SR fuses in particular being that they enable ones equipment access to cleaner power than the bottleneck produced by a standard fuse.
I base my hypothesis not only on musical quality but also due the fact that I have a larger sound stage for less attenuation,, greater SPL for less attenuation, my ESLs are producing more lower frequency energy at my standard volume setting quite palpable through floor and listening seat, the same attenuation is now exciting higher frequency nodes in my listening room that were barely percievable previously.etc.etc.etc, exactly in the same vein as running with either balanced or regenerated power.
As in most things YMMV.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 21:49:48 GMT
I just love how diverse the thread has run over that seven days  For myself mains regenerators are not in the equation in systems we formulate, do they work ? pretty much every one I have listened to does have a positive effect on a system. Just not delivering in natural fluidity and effortless ease of the sound being produced Like all your experience my differ |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 2, 2018 23:01:41 GMT
As long as we remember that a fuse can only be a bottleneck to performance, and a good fuse is one that does the least damage, then all is good. For my part, I really thought that SR Reds were the best they were going to get. I was wrong, the SR Blue demonstrate quite clearly that even less intrusion can be had.
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Post by sq225917 on Feb 3, 2018 20:27:52 GMT
I'm curious as to what you gentlemen think the nature of that bottleneck could be. Is the fuse a frequency limiting device? is it a voltage limiting device? It's certainly a current limiting device, that's its job. So if it's bottlenecking current, how can a fuse achieve less of this, but still achieve its current rated protection function? I'm flumoxed.
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 3, 2018 20:53:42 GMT
It did cross my mind as to whether they might not fuse properly according to their rating. I don't suppose many people are going to volunteer to test that out on their shiny new ~100 quid fuse!
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Post by BilliumB on Feb 3, 2018 21:22:00 GMT
I just love how diverse the thread has run over that seven days For myself mains regenerators are not in the equation in systems we formulate, do they work ? pretty much every one I have listened to does have a positive effect on a system. Just not delivering in natural fluidity and effortless ease of the sound being produced Like all your experience my differ Hello Tony Could you please elaborate on what you generally do find helps in the 'mains area' to deliver natural fluidity and effortless ease of the sound being produced? It is, I think a fascinating issue. Cheers. Bill |
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Post by Stratmangler on Feb 3, 2018 22:04:26 GMT
It did cross my mind as to whether they might not fuse properly according to their rating. I don't suppose many people are going to volunteer to test that out on their shiny new ~100 quid fuse! With one brand it appears that they're too expensive for the maker to get them approved ...  |
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Post by sq225917 on Feb 4, 2018 14:14:53 GMT
@david Brooks. Could you confirm that these fuses have the appropriate UK/EU safety mark on them?
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Post by Stratmangler on Feb 4, 2018 14:22:22 GMT
@david Brooks. Could you confirm that these fuses have the appropriate UK/EU safety mark on them? I asked this a year ago, and still no reply. Don't hold yer breath .......  |
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Post by The Brookmeister on Feb 4, 2018 18:42:49 GMT
@david Brooks. Could you confirm that these fuses have the appropriate UK/EU safety mark on them? Simon (strange behaviour from you I have to say) and other folks its the manufacturer you should be contacting, there are 100's of sellers worldwide offering these fuses for sale. If you have concerns about the fuses being fit for purpose take it up with the manufacturer. Here you are www.synergisticresearch.com/contact/ |
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