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Post by MartinT on Jul 30, 2017 20:27:57 GMT
Yes. It was a shame that Ricciardo was knocked out so quickly. Didn't the McLarens do well!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 9:53:17 GMT
I know, I suspect he would have done some impressive things in the race. Verstappen has become a bit of a menace. I also thought he was a little naughty when Lewis was attempting to overtake him too.
The worst part of this race, however, was that the cars couldn't overtake, if they got too close (as shown when Lewis got past Bottas) he just couldn't get close enough to overtake due to overheating concerns. This is racing, they have to fix that!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 9:55:55 GMT
There can be risk in many things. Minimising the risk is a natural part of the human way. Motorsport used to be a professional blood sport, as Steve McQueen's lines put it put it. I'd like to think we've moved on from that time and way of accepting seeing drivers die in front of us on our TV screens or whilst we attend events. You'd happily accept Lewis or Sebastian dieing as you watch, because they are paid? Set minds take time to change, some just need to disappear from relevance. I think we are seeing that change here and now. Halo might not be the ultimate protection and no doubt it will evolve, but it's the best that has been developed so far. Next time a car flips and skids upside down along the armco, or Grosjean is careering across cockpit of another innocent driver's car, think, should that driver, perhaps your favourite driver, die that day because you think they are paid adequately for it! Steve, I think you have missed my point, I wouldn't happily accept Lewis or Seb dying because they are being paid, I'd happily accept them dying because they are driving a F1 car at great speed, and accidents happen, no matter how good you are, look at Senna. Obviously, I'd prefer it if they didn't. The getting paid is just a bonus for them to take the risk. |
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Post by speedysteve on Jul 31, 2017 16:52:17 GMT
I find that opinion / view crass. Were you against armco, harnesses, inertia switches, bag tanks and circuit changes and Hans devices (to name but a few), by any chance? Why have any of them? Go back to the days of ancient Rome. Let them die for your sport. I'd be interested to know the point at which it became "too safe"? Was after Jimmy, no? Rindt surely not? Petersson, Villeneuve? Senna, Ratzenberger, Bianchi? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_fatalities |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 17:24:40 GMT
Fair enough, we are allowed to disagree.
My decision mind you has nothing to do with intelligence, just I do think the halo looks crap and I seriously struggle with the reason for its introduction, like many of the F1 drivers.
I am completely against the idea of the closing the cockpit, as I have said before, what's next, a completely driverless car, that would prevent people getting hurt/killed I suppose.
Driving an F1 car is dangerous, it is part of the excitement of watching it.
I wasn't against the other safety measures, but this one is taking it too far in my opinion.
Where is became too safe, probably not long after Senna's untimely death, his death as we know was a freak accident, and I very much doubt Halo would have protected him.
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Post by ant on Jul 31, 2017 18:38:53 GMT
I think it was a really shitty thing for Ferrari to do to raikkonen, he had the legs on vettel all weekend apart from the last bit of qualifying. Vettel would not have all the points he has up to now if raikkonen hadnt been playing rear gunner in quite a few races.
Lewis did exactly as he should have in letting bottas back past, you make a promise, you keep it. Mercedes looks like a team, Ferrari looks like a support structure for vettel.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 10:39:01 GMT
I think it was a really shitty thing for Ferrari to do to raikkonen, he had the legs on vettel all weekend apart from the last bit of qualifying. Vettel would not have all the points he has up to now if raikkonen hadnt been playing rear gunner in quite a few races. Lewis did exactly as he should have in letting bottas back past, you make a promise, you keep it. Mercedes looks like a team, Ferrari looks like a support structure for vettel. Agree but that is what happens with Ferrari, they almost always chose a number 1 driver. Personally, I think it deminishes Vettel's achievement, and previously Schumacher at Ferrari because they are the defacto number one so are gifted wins. I always liked Schumacher, but he was in F1 at a time when he didn't have a lot of serious competition, other than maybe Hakkinen and then Alonso, so had quite a lot of luck really. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 10:45:44 GMT
Fair enough, we are allowed to disagree. My decision mind you has nothing to do with intelligence, just I do think the halo looks crap and I seriously struggle with the reason for its introduction, like many of the F1 drivers. I am completely against the idea of the closing the cockpit, as I have said before, what's next, a completely driverless car, that would prevent people getting hurt/killed I suppose. Driving an F1 car is dangerous, it is part of the excitement of watching it. I wasn't against the other safety measures, but this one is taking it too far in my opinion. Where is became too safe, probably not long after Senna's untimely death, his death as we know was a freak accident, and I very much doubt Halo would have protected him. Thinking more about this one, I am not against Safety at all, I am against making the sport boring and moving away from an open cockpit. I believe they have rushed Halo in without really knowing it will be the right solution, and I suspect it won't last too long. I much preferred the look for instance of the Shield, although that apparently made Vettel feel dizzy, so I could see why they couldn't introduce it. Would I be unhappy if one of the driver, maybe my favourite, Lewis was injured or killed, of course I would, I wouldn't be human if I didn't. My point is that they know the risks. I would love to have been wealthy and good enough to have become a F1 driver and would have had to accept that I was taking a risk evertime I drove an F1 car at speed, just as the current F1 drivers on the grid currently do. |
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Post by speedysteve on Aug 1, 2017 12:38:51 GMT
Ah but a jet fighter canopy and ejector seat / parachute would spice things up no end  penalty for banging wheels? - let the public vote and the penalty, ejector the bugger  I'm being facicious. However, you could make the driver more visible again but behind impact proof glass or similar. Let's face it you don't see much but the helmet at the moment from outside the car today anyway. The powers that decide obviously feel the real and present danger of more fatalities - and have decided they want to do something about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 13:21:55 GMT
Ah but a jet fighter canopy and ejector seat / parachute would spice things up no end penalty for banging wheels? - let the public vote and the penalty, ejector the bugger By gosh Steve, I think you're onto something |
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Post by speedysteve on Aug 4, 2017 8:35:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 10:44:18 GMT
He did, very impressive.
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Post by stanleyb on Aug 22, 2017 14:07:55 GMT
Kimi Raikkonen: Ferrari driver agrees new contract until end of 2018 season.
Ferrari doesn't have any other option right now. Kimi has been treated badly by the team, but they also know that none of the drivers of championship material would be willing to let Vettel get away with upstaging them in the same team. So giving KImi some hush money and a seat was the sensible thing to do if they want him to keep quiet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 15:21:13 GMT
Is it a good thing, well yes I suppose it is for Vettel, but in the interests of fairness, I do find it a tad irritating.
Probably one of the things I like and admire about Lewis, he's always said he's happy to have a competitive team mate, yes he takes the odd liberty, but overall he's pretty fair.
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Post by stanleyb on Aug 22, 2017 15:54:49 GMT
Probably one of the things I like and admire about Lewis, he's always said he's happy to have a competitive team mate, yes he takes the odd liberty, but overall he's pretty fair. The issue with Lewis is that because he is a champ who is also regularly in the spotlight, he draws a lot of attention to everything he does or say. But most of the other drivers are no less unpredictable in their behaviour and sportsmanship at times. |
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Post by MartinT on Aug 22, 2017 17:01:36 GMT
Agreed, it's in their nature in general. There are exceptions such as the two Finns.
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Post by tim1750 on Aug 23, 2017 19:49:16 GMT
I love to listen in when Kimi Raikkonen speak he's a man after my own heart just say's how it is.
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Post by MartinT on Aug 23, 2017 20:45:41 GMT
Kimi is hilarious, the ultimate grumpy man.
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Post by speedysteve on Aug 26, 2017 19:46:52 GMT
Lewis WOW!!!
Matches Schumacher on 68 poles record.
Hopefully many more to come. Getting a record 5 poles at SPA at some point would seal it.
That was a gut wrenchingly fast lap.
Nice touch Ross coming out and delivering a message from the Schumacher's.
I've track day'd SPA with the Lotus and Caterham 7 club, amazing circuit.
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Post by MartinT on Aug 26, 2017 22:15:01 GMT
Another outstanding Hamilton qualy performance.
I'd love to track day Spa, only done Silverstone.
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penalty for banging wheels? - let the public vote and the penalty, ejector the bugger 
