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Post by John on Nov 17, 2016 18:19:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 19:02:59 GMT
Thinking about it, yes, in a way, as I thought that the Regenerator may have kicked in first. However, it appears that the RCD was quicker.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 20:22:36 GMT
It's a shame that it does not have a bypass function, as it would make back to back testing easier.... With the new super tweeters and the AG1500 in place, I am quite enjoying my system right now. What bit is doing what is still to be determined.
I am just missing a glass of a good single malt to round things off, but it is a school night.
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Post by John on Nov 17, 2016 20:33:46 GMT
Those super tweeters make a nice difference to the speakers
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Post by MartinT on Nov 17, 2016 20:45:53 GMT
Given that a regenerator converts incoming mains to DC, and then back to "pure" AC Not necessarily so. The PS Audio P10 (and others in the same series) don't work that way at all. They are far more clever and efficient. What they do is lock a perfect sinewave signal generator to the incoming mains waveform, and then perform a comparison. From this is derived an error (difference) signal of one minus the other. This difference is then applied to a big tracking amplifier that 'rides' the mains waveform, correcting (or repairing) it to make it as close to the reference signal as possible. This makes it far more efficient, able to generate more power and stay relatively cool without the use of fans. If a Multiwave waveform is selected, the reference signal is modified and so more 'repair' is applied. A beautiful application of lateral thinking that really works very well. From my old house mains. Incoming waveform (pretty horrible): Difference signal: Corrected 'regenerated' waveform:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 20:52:28 GMT
Those super tweeters make a nice difference to the speakers For something I can't actually hear, I am surprised at the difference. I need to work out the best position for them. Steve from Electric Beach has offered to make me some supports once I know where I want them. You don't get much better customer service than that. In fact, I am probably going to abandon the search for a nice set of ESL57s.
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Post by Sovereign on Nov 17, 2016 22:24:59 GMT
Yes Steve-Electricbeach is a great guy, and has a good taste in music . He has an overly randy dog though 🐆
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Post by Greg on Nov 17, 2016 22:36:12 GMT
Yes. I don't consider myself obsessed with mains. No, you probably don't but considering the many thousands of words you have written on the subject on several forums, more than any other contributor, I conclude you are. Others may agree. Martin, James, Mike and others are obsessed with mains as a way to make your music sound better. Erm, no. Like the rest of us they are simply chasing means to extract the best performance from their systems to maximise their listening enjoyment.My issue is not with mains particularly. Nor even safety particularly. It is people talking nonsense - frequently just to prevent any rational discussion of specifics interfering with their core mantra. Well there's plenty of nonsense and without doubt, you are a major contributor.Let me give you an example of "never let the truth get in the way of a good story" Posted by Greg today at 1:40am Oh well, mains.........Pinkie is a dog with a bone........ whichever forum you like, 'cos he's been there, done that and got banned from a few in the process. Mains obsession is an illness. What a blessing not to be so afflicted. I am a current member of PFM, DIY Hifi, AOS, Hifi Wigwam and this forum (maybe others I can't remember, and evidently don't frequent). I was banned from and reinstated to AOS for something which had nothing to do with mains. I was banned from HFS because - well, Dunn is Dunn and has a problem with being wrong. Mains controversy has only arisen here and on HFS cos Dunn thought talking sense was an attack on NVA - even though that sense is universally recognised by the likes of Phillip Giddings and Phillip Newell - both of whom stress the need for the very safety considerations I have talked about on their installations. This forum cherry picks - it takes the "these systems CAN be useful" bit from these experts, and just gets defensive and repeats mantras which do not address the technical points being made on the "BUT it is important to remember these safety aspects" advice from these experts. Whatever. Sorry, I did you an injustice. Where you were not banned, you chose to shut up before the ban was applied.Of course my view of mains is mainstream on a forum like Wigwam - with many more members and posts. It is mainstream at SOS . Hmm, SOS may be more realistic than you think. Anything mainstream there should generally not be relied on.Mains obsession is an illness. - I heartily agree. Just leave it alone and use it the way it is meant to be. Excellent. Does that mean we all can expect some relief, not having to read more of your torturous prose on this subject?I just love the idea that Martin goes to all this trouble to clean his mains and then wires his system ground to the neutral leg of the noisy mains supply. It reflects the depth of understanding of the subject. Or maybe it reflects your ignorance about Martin's depth of understanding of the subject.
Please Pinkie, just shut up and go and chew your bone somewhere else.
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Post by AlanS on Nov 18, 2016 9:02:26 GMT
Thanks Greg for a well expressed response. I suspect others also appreciate your green texts.
Please Pink (not a hint of being obsessed person?) reduce your contribution so I can remove you from my ignore list and maybe enjoy and value your thoughts like other members.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 7:26:09 GMT
The AG1500 is staying. It makes a subtle, but nice difference. There is more detail to my ears especially in the mid to lower registers. I did not think (and was not hoping that) it would make a difference, but wanted to try one to see.
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Post by MartinT on Nov 21, 2016 8:02:20 GMT
Great result and thanks for reporting back. One thing that is not always recognised with regenerators is the consistency, meaning that music sounds good mid-evening when the power demands and waveform are at their worst, as well as very late at night when the power quality is very much better.
Can you instantly switch regeneration in and out with the AG1500, as you can on the remote control with the P10?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 8:12:18 GMT
There is no bypass mode on the AG1500, so to switch it out you have to power the system down.
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Post by Sovereign on Nov 21, 2016 9:27:38 GMT
That's great news, I'm not really bothered that you 'heard a difference' but pleased that your system is sounding better and that that has brought possibly a sense of pleasure and satisfaction. Especially at the end of the thread that has brought a wee bit of controversy 😜Just in time for Christmas 🎄
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Post by MartinT on Nov 21, 2016 10:00:42 GMT
If this thread has spread awareness of the benefits of regenerators then it has done some good.
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Post by AlanS on Nov 21, 2016 11:45:15 GMT
The AG1500 is staying. It makes a subtle, but nice difference. There is more detail to my ears especially in the mid to lower registers. I did not think (and was hoping that) it would make a difference, but wanted to try one to see. Glad you found a benefit. The consistent quality is something you may grow to value.
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 21, 2016 17:26:43 GMT
There is also the adding of improvements to a system, the sum of the whole being greater than the parts.
Trying other mods may well be different now
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